The window catch issue

[maggie]

It's no big deal to bang shut a window from outside. So one lock falls into place inside.

Once this happens the window is officially secured. It may not be fort knox, but to the police on the night, it looked secure.

Agree he could have exited out of the open bedroom window. Although I don't believe he did.

It is quite a big deal with this kind of window for the catch to fall and make contact never mind to appear to be secure when banged shut. 

Of course there is the question whether this particular catch was unusually loose etc. and it is impossible to know unless you had personally tried to do it.

It's impossible to know how he actually exited the property but it was accepted he had the means to enter and exit that night.

[lookout]

Anyone able to enter the property would first have to know whether it had been secured from the inside otherwise it can't be done.
Only the bottom latch if insecure would allow entry. The top latch crosses over the two sides of the window and in the locking part there's a covered " housing " latch which secures this.

It's so hard to describe but I'd have no trouble demonstrating it.

[Reader]

Barlow testified the horizintal lock could not be banged shut onto it's pegs from outside. So would have obviously testified that at the crime scene,  the window was off it's pegs.

He wasn't at the crime scene on 7th August 1985, so he couldn't have testified that the catch was off its pegs on 7th August 1985. Nobody testified to that effect.

[Adam]

He wasn't at the crime scene on 7th August 1985, so he couldn't have testified that the catch was off its pegs on 7th August 1985. Nobody testified to that effect.

Wasn't he ? So other policemen would have testified it was off it's pegs at the crime scene. If the defence bothered to ask them.

It's obvious it was off it's pegs at the crime scene. The crime scene photos would have shown this. Otherwise the police would have said Bamber exited from the upstairs open window rather than leave an open goal for the defence. .

[Reader]

So other policemen would have testified it was off it's pegs at the crime scene.

They couldn't do that as some officers had already stated that it was fully secure and this was known by many people, not just the police. The police weren't satisfied with the idea that the main bedroom window was used, as they knew that Jeremy had gained access by a downstairs windows on other occasions. They considered it was more useful to use Jeremy's assertion that he could get in and out via downstairs windows in his interview, and leave the issue of how he could have left the window secured after exiting unresolved than to insist at trial that Jeremy must have used the main bedroom window. They wanted to link their case to what Julie said, so that Julie's evidence would seem more plausible.

[Adam]

They couldn't do that as some officers had already stated that it was fully secure and this was known by many people, not just the police. The police weren't satisfied with the idea that the main bedroom window was used, as they knew that Jeremy had gained access by a downstairs windows on other occasions. They considered it was more useful to use Jeremy's assertion that he could get in and out via downstairs windows in his interview, and leave the issue of how he could have left the window secured after exiting unresolved than to insist at trial that Jeremy must have used the main bedroom window. They wanted to link their case to what Julie said, so that Julie's evidence would seem more plausible.

All I have read is the police outside walked around WHF and said all ground floor doors and windows appeared secure. Which is correct. The vertical lock on the kitchen window had been latched.

But if anyone can find a police statement saying the horizontal kitchen lock was on it's pegs at the crime scene, I'm sure Jeremy will be pleased.

[lookout]

What part of closed and secured don't you understand ?

[maggie]

All I have read is the police outside walked around WHF and said all ground floor doors and windows appeared secure. Which is correct. The vertical lock on the kitchen window had been latched.

But if anyone can find a police statement saying the horizontal kitchen lock was on it's pegs at the crime scene, I'm sure Jeremy will be pleased.

I do not understand why you are so obsessed with the casement kitchen window, there is no hard proof that anyone climbed out of the that window that night so it's a pretty pointless exercise trying to prove that JB did.

[Roch]

All I have read is the police outside walked around WHF and said all ground floor doors and windows appeared secure. Which is correct. The vertical lock on the kitchen window had been latched.

But if anyone can find a police statement saying the horizontal kitchen lock was on it's pegs at the crime scene, I'm sure Jeremy will be pleased.

So nobody checked inside then?

[Adam]

I do not understand why you are so obsessed with the casement kitchen window, there is no hard proof that anyone climbed out of the that window that night so it's a pretty pointless exercise trying to prove that JB did.

I'm not obsessed with anything. Just responding to Readers suggestion that the kitchen window horizontal lock was on it's pegs at the crime scene.  Which means the  police have lied 'big league' for 31 years.

There is a lot of evidence which supports that Bamber exited the kitchen window. But if Reader provides a police statement that says the horizontal lock was on it's pegs at the crime scene, that all gets negated.

[guest2181]

So nobody checked inside then?

I'd find that hard to believe.

[Stephanie]

What a chancer he is...

I guarantee you one of his supporters has sent him something discussed on this forum and he's running with it - like he has done with everything else.

SH did exactly the same!

[Stephanie]

Nothing will set you free Jeremy Bamber, the authorities would never ever allow it!!

[Stephanie]

Doesn't that kinda throw a spanner in the works, especially when Jeremy himself has said he could get in and out with ease?

He's forgotten what he said back then Hartley and forgotten to re-read his police interview transcripts. Plonker!!

I have a feeling Trudi has started catching him in the lie.

[Stephanie]

That would mean he is lying and telling the truth in the same answer?

Thus Jeremy both tells the truth and lies if and when it suits you.

What you have above David is Bamber having been caught out in the lie.
SH did the same thing.