The window catch issue

[maggie]

But not much consideration? 

I think it's a possibility Roch, in fact there are various possibilities as to how he may have entered or exited the house.
Just because it's accepted he entered through a window in the early hours doesn't mean he did any such thing. 
There's no evidence to prove this anymore than evidence that he crawled out later and banged the window shut. 
These days I find it difficult to believe Sheila killed the family and shot herself twice therefore I can accept he may have locked the front door and secured all windows from the inside before climbing out of the main bedroom window, leaving it slightly open. Makes more sense to me than trying to secure windows from the outside.

[lookout]

I still maintain that Sheila's first wound had been " accidental " rather than self inflicted. Accidental in that  either parent tried to wrestle the rifle from Sheila,it went off. The angle of the shot and the fact it hit the jawbone doesn't sit right with me.
The second and instantly fatal shot was a contact one whereas the first shot wasn't, and because the intention of suicide had been her final goal it would have been when she'd been still enough for the final shot to penetrate in the area of instant death.
However,the rifle's position as well as Sheila's would have looked a lot different than any photo's we've seen.

[Jane]

I still maintain that Sheila's first wound had been " accidental " rather than self inflicted. Accidental in that  either parent tried to wrestle the rifle from Sheila,it went off. The angle of the shot and the fact it hit the jawbone doesn't sit right with me.
The second and instantly fatal shot was a contact one whereas the first shot wasn't, and because the intention of suicide had been her final goal it would have been when she'd been still enough for the final shot to penetrate in the area of instant death.
However,the rifle's position as well as Sheila's would have looked a lot different than any photo's we've seen.

Where do you think the rifle would have been held for that wound to happen accidentally? Wouldn't anyone trying to wrest the rifle from another be pushing the business end to one side? How did the rifle end up so perfectly and precisely placed across Sheila's body. Even if I buy into her ability to have shot herself twice, I sure as hell don't buy into her positioning the rifle after she was dead.

[Roch]

I think it's a possibility Roch, in fact there are various possibilities as to how he may have entered or exited the house.
Just because it's accepted he entered through a window in the early hours doesn't mean he did any such thing. 
There's no evidence to prove this anymore than evidence that he crawled out later and banged the window shut. 
These days I find it difficult to believe Sheila killed the family and shot herself twice therefore I can accept he may have locked the front door and secured all windows from the inside before climbing out of the main bedroom window, leaving it slightly open. Makes more sense to me than trying to secure windows from the outside.

Hi Maggie. Everyone has got to explore their own thoughts and doubts.  Currently I'm wondering whether Jeremy had any foreknowledge of Sheila's intentions - whether he could have aided / facilitated her. However, this doesn't really fit with Jeremy's description of Sheila during the conversation at the table the evening before.  If anything - he underplays the tension in that situation.

I still don't understand how exits could be made fully secure from the outside though.  Other than some bizarre theories - It seems that posters are totally ignoring this fact when replying to this thread.

And then there is the quote attributed to PI Miller, in the video - interesting, especially given that he was a key prosecution witness.

With regards to some posters' ever faithful adherence to the official prosecution evidence - the video successfully exposes the complete lack of professionalism in DC Barlow's actions.

[guest2181]

except the top hung window was also secured on its latches wasn't it. As stated all windows and doors were secured on thier latches except the bedroom window.

The top hung window could be secured from the outside by banging the window. That's kinda the whole point.

[Adam]

The open main bedroom window was too small for Bamber to climb out of.

There is no evidence the bigger part of the bedroom window could be banged shut from outside. And no evidence there was an available ladder at WHF.

I don't agree with Nugs that Bamber could have got into WHF by climbing through the main bedroom window. June and Neville were in that room and the rifle was downstairs.

[Adam]

All the evidence points to Bamber climbing out of the kitchen window -

He said he knew how enter/exit the kitchen window.

The housekeeper said crime scene photos showed fixed items around the kitchen window had been moved.

One of the kitchen window locks could be banged shut from outside.

The horizontal lock could not be banged onto it's pegs from outside. This lock was found off it's pegs which would not be the case if June/Neville had shut this window.

Julie testified that Bamber had told her he had found a way out of WHF and secure the same window from outside.

[guest2181]

The open main bedroom window was too small for Bamber to climb out of.

No it isn't.

The window is an 1185x1500mm sash window. Even by modern day Building Regulations it is suitably sized as a fire escape window.

[Adam]

No it isn't.

The window is an 1185x1500mm sash window. Even by modern day Building Regulations it is suitably sized as a fire escape window.

That's not the top main bedroom window which was open when the police arrived . Which was too small for Bamber to get out of.

Has anyone got a picture of the open window of the main bedroom.

[guest2181]

That's not the top main bedroom window which was left open. Which was too small for Bamber to get out of.

The window in question is furthest to the left on the first floor. It is a double hung sash window with each sash divided in to eight panes. Each sash can slide up or down so that 50% of the window can be a clear opening at any one time.

[lookout]

Where do you think the rifle would have been held for that wound to happen accidentally? Wouldn't anyone trying to wrest the rifle from another be pushing the business end to one side? How did the rifle end up so perfectly and precisely placed across Sheila's body. Even if I buy into her ability to have shot herself twice, I sure as hell don't buy into her positioning the rifle after she was dead.

The rifle would have ended up on the floor,not " placed " on her body as we've seen it. There has to be truer photographs somewhere as I don't believe that Sheila was found that way at all.
I've always believed that the rifle had been placed there for effect and not how it happened.

[Adam]

The window in question is furthest to the left on the first floor. It is a double hung sash window with each sash divided in to eight panes. Each sash can slide up or down so that 50% of the window can be a clear opening at any one time.

Have you got a picture of the open bedroom window at the crime scene ? The one I have seen the window is too small for Bamber to get through.

If Bamber climbed out of the window you have shown, he would have pushed it back up to the top.

[guest2181]

I've always believed that the rifle had been placed there for effect ..............

Yes, that view is certainly held by the majority of people.

[Adam]

The rifle would have ended up on the floor,not " placed " on her body as we've seen it. There has to be truer photographs somewhere as I don't believe that Sheila was found that way at all.
I've always believed that the rifle had been placed there for effect and not how it happened.

Do you agree with Mike that the police put the rifle there ?

[lookout]

For the first wound to have happened,the rifle would have been at an angle,held by another person slightly taller, to have got the hit that it did----------meaning her father,in the kitchen. Obviously the rifle would have been ready to fire for it to have gone off which would indicate that those upstairs were already dead or June would have rang for the police from the upstairs office phone.