The window catch issue

[notsure]

I've just been reading the ct funding article.

It would imo throw serious doubt on his guilt if in fact the photos of the window catches were in the 6 o'clock position when thefirst photos were taken.

It certainly seems they are really going for it at the moment.

[notsure]

Am I right in assuming that at prosecution they said he used that window to get in and out or are they saying it could have been.? T

[Caroline]

Am I right in assuming that at prosecution they said he used that window to get in and out or are they saying it could have been.? T

Just that it 'could' have been. They didn't need to prove how he got in and out, just hat it was possible.

[lookout]

Yes,although " Taff " had previously stated that latches had been firmly shut from the inside as was every other lock inside the farmhouse. This man was seriously undermined,which I found disgusting.

Would EP have damaged a perfectly good front door if they could have got in through the window ? I remember asking this question a couple of years back.

[David1819]

Am I right in assuming that at prosecution they said he used that window to get in and out or are they saying it could have been.? T

It was the downstairs toilet window to enter and the kitchen window to leave. Its already been established there is no proof that he entered via the toilet window. So in my opinion showing there is no proof he left via kitchen window will not achieve much. 

Since all the windows and doors were locked from the inside, the Kitchen window is the only way Jeremy could have left the building. I don't think its possible to prove its impossible for Jeremy to have left via that window.



Nevertheless if you look at the photo you can see the sink and window area is very tidy. This means that Jeremy after he got outside must have been standing outside leaning through the window neatly putting everything back in place 

[guest2181]

It was the downstairs toilet window to enter and the kitchen window to leave. Its already been established there is no proof that he entered via the toilet window. So in my opinion showing there is no proof he left via kitchen window will not achieve much. 

Since all the windows and doors were locked from the inside, the Kitchen window is the only way Jeremy could have left the building. I don't think its possible to prove its impossible for Jeremy to have left via that window.



Nevertheless if you look at the photo you can see the sink and window area is very tidy. This means that Jeremy after he got outside must have been standing outside leaning through the window neatly putting everything back in place 

As Caroline mentions, they didn't need to specify specific access and egress, only that access and egress 'was' possible.

Doesn't that kinda throw a spanner in the works, especially when Jeremy himself has said he could get in and out with ease?

[Caroline]

As Caroline mentions, they didn't need to specify specific access and egress, only that access and egress 'was' possible.

Doesn't that kinda throw a spanner in the works, especially when Jeremy himself has said he could get in and out with ease?

And did.

[lookout]

Not with both catches in horizontal/vertical positions from the inside. One of the catches must have been made possible in which to both enter and exit when he says he used to get in and out that way,otherwise it's totally impossible.

[Steve_uk]

It was the downstairs toilet window to enter and the kitchen window to leave. Its already been established there is no proof that he entered via the toilet window. So in my opinion showing there is no proof he left via kitchen window will not achieve much. 

Since all the windows and doors were locked from the inside, the Kitchen window is the only way Jeremy could have left the building. I don't think its possible to prove its impossible for Jeremy to have left via that window.



Nevertheless if you look at the photo you can see the sink and window area is very tidy. This means that Jeremy after he got outside must have been standing outside leaning through the window neatly putting everything back in place 

Are we sure those are the exact positions of the windows on 7 August 1985 and how do we know that one of them wasn't left ajar the previous night?

[David1819]

As Caroline mentions, they didn't need to specify specific access and egress, only that access and egress 'was' possible.

Doesn't that kinda throw a spanner in the works, especially when Jeremy himself has said he could get in and out with ease?

Your completely missing the point. I find the idea of Jeremy leaning through the window from the outside putting the items back all neat and tidy before he cycles off into the night rather silly IMO.

[David1819]

Are we sure those are the exact positions of the windows on 7 August 1985 and how do we know that one of them wasn't left ajar the previous night?

The photo you are looking at was taken on the day of the crime.

[Adam]

There is no proof he entered either window. No one saw him. However the housekeeper said items near the kitchen window had been moved.

There is proof he could have entered and exited both windows. Bamber said so himself.

There are also 20 sources saying the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside.

That's more than enough for the jury.

[David1819]

Just that it 'could' have been. They didn't need to prove how he got in and out, just hat it was possible.

Since Sheila died between 7.30am - 5.30am it really isn't possible because the police would have spotted him sneak back in and out again

[lookout]

And the catches placed themselves in a locked position,did they ?

[Adam]

Since Sheila died between 7.30am - 5.30am it really isn't possible because the police would have spotted him sneak back in and out again

Oh yes. I forgot about that.