Reasons for Neville to ask June for help. Rather tham Bamber or the police:

[lookout]

That simply isn't true

 In neuroscience,brains of those who murdered showed a marked difference from the norm when given a P E T scan . The scan highlighted a significant reduction in the development of the prefrontal cortex.In other words,anyone who murders has a deficiency which is usually marked by behavioural problems,less control of anger and rage, reduction in self-control,poor problem-solving skills---which all predispose a person to eventual violence.

[Caroline]

 In neuroscience,brains of those who murdered showed a marked difference from the norm when given a P E T scan . The scan highlighted a significant reduction in the development of the prefrontal cortex.In other words,anyone who murders has a deficiency which is usually marked by behavioural problems,less control of anger and rage, reduction in self-control,poor problem-solving skills---which all predispose a person to eventual violence.

You're drawing a generalisation that was never meant to be there. Not all killers have a mental health disorder and not all people with a mental disorder are killers. Here is an interesting article though.

http://highered.mheducation.com/olc2/dl/926250/fei35201_ch15_586_627.pdf

[lookout]

Tell me what it is that holds back the " normal " person from killing.

[Caroline]

Tell me what it is that holds back the " normal " person from killing.

Well, there are different kinds of killers and a normal person is just as capable of killing as an abnormal person. Self defence for instance.

[Jane]

Tell me what it is that holds back the " normal " person from killing.

Is it not said that we all have a breaking point?

[lookout]

Well, there are different kinds of killers and a normal person is just as capable of killing as an abnormal person. Self defence for instance.

I,personally would find it extremely difficult to kill someone,even in self-defence,so I don't know why my own brain functions that way. I'd put up a fight because a coward I'm not,but so far as the thought of killing,I couldn't do it.
However,those in the forces have to kill,but the effects of their self-defence lasts a lifetime and duly affects their brains in a different way from the cold-blooded killers.   

[Jane]

I,personally would find it extremely difficult to kill someone,even in self-defence,so I don't know why my own brain functions that way. I'd put up a fight because a coward I'm not,but so far as the thought of killing,I couldn't do it.
However,those in the forces have to kill,but the effects of their self-defence lasts a lifetime and duly affects their brains in a different way from the cold-blooded killers.

Well, this isn't about you -or any of us- but I'll hazard a guess that SOMEONE reading this could find themselves capable of murder and as you're SO certain of your ability and determination to defend yourself, it could well be you, despite what you say to the contrary.

I suspect that much PTSD has it's roots in that those in the forces who suffer this life changing disorder -and not ALL do- are trained to kill and that training kicks in and overrides natural aversion to taking life. I appreciate that this is an over simplification of a complex disorder.

[lookout]

Well, this isn't about you -or any of us- but I'll hazard a guess that SOMEONE reading this could find themselves capable of murder and as you're SO certain of your ability and determination to defend yourself, it could well be you, despite what you say to the contrary.

I suspect that much PTSD has it's roots in that those in the forces who suffer this life changing disorder -and not ALL do- are trained to kill and that training kicks in and overrides natural aversion to taking life. I appreciate that this is an over simplification of a complex disorder.

 I'm fully aware that it's not about me,but nevertheless there's no need for such an insidious statement  you've made !

[Adam]

Do other people believe June was already dead when Neville rang Bamber and/or the police ? This has been suggested on this thread.

[Jane]

 I'm fully aware that it's not about me,but nevertheless there's no need for such an insidious statement  you've made !

Having reread my statement, I find nothing, whatsoever, about it which could be termed "insidious". In fact, it was direct and to the point. Numerous times -and generally when Jeremy's behaviours are the topic- people's responses are about how THEY would/wouldn't have acted. It seems we're being asked to deduce that because "I" would/wouldn't, neither would/wouldn't Jeremy?  It's very misleading.

[lookout]

Blimey,you've started already 

[Caroline]

I,personally would find it extremely difficult to kill someone,even in self-defence,so I don't know why my own brain functions that way. I'd put up a fight because a coward I'm not,but so far as the thought of killing,I couldn't do it.
However,those in the forces have to kill,but the effects of their self-defence lasts a lifetime and duly affects their brains in a different way from the cold-blooded killers.

I don't like killing anything and although I have pretty bad arachnophobia, I still catch spiders and put them outside. However, in a case of self defence I have no doubt that if it came to a case of them or me - I would make damn sure it was them.   

Not all ex forces end up with PTSD or end up killing face to face on the ground.

[Steve_uk]

Do other people believe June was already dead when Neville rang Bamber and/or the police ? This has been suggested on this thread.

Nevill never got to a phone that morning.

[Adam]

Nevill never got to a phone that morning.

Hopefully David will explain why Neville chose to phone Bamber, and then the police 16 minutes later, after Sheila had killed June.

[lookout]

Nevill never got to a phone that morning.

Well he made a good job of getting from the bedroom down 3 flights of stairs to the kitchen, when badly injured,so he would have been heading towards the phone,though why he hadn't stayed upstairs shielding his family,I'll never know,so what else would have been the purpose of leaving them all ?