Reasons for Neville to ask June for help. Rather tham Bamber or the police:

[Adam]

June was at WHF.

June was an adult.

June was able bodied and just as strong as Sheila.

An awake June is safer than an asleep June.

An awake June makes Neville safer.

An awake June makes the twins safer.

June had as much chance of claming Sheila down as Bamber would have.

Asking June for assistance means Neville would not have to go downstairs and spend several minutes waiting for Bamber to answer the phone.

Asking June for assistance means Neville would not have to spend several minutes asking the police for assistance.

June would be likely to wake anyway after hearing all the noise. Although in this case she surprisingly remained asleep and was shot with her head on the pillow.

An awake June could have protected the twins.

June was Sheila's mother. She would want to assist her daughter if she was in distress.

Neville did not need Bamber for physical assistance. He was twice as big as her and June was as big as Sheila.

Asking June for assistance means he is not going to put his son in danger.

WHF was as much June's house, as Neville's. As Sheila's mother she had a right to know what was happening and decide to attempt to assist.

June was Neville's first option. If that failed he could then decide to ring up other people.

June may refuse to assist (which is unlikely). However June can at least protect herself and be ready for any attack. Rather than be defenceless.

There is no reason not to ask June for assistance.

[Adam]

I suppose the question could also be is there a reason why Neville would not ask June for assistance ?

I can't think of one. However Neville made the decision not to ask for her assistance. Preferring to ring Bamber and then the police 16 minutes later. 

It was the wrong choice by Neville. June surprisingly did not wake from all the noise and put up no defence as Sheila shot June in the throat and head while she slept. 

[Adam]

It is really a double problem for Bamber regarding June.

Neville had lots of chances to wake her and ask for assistance. But didn't. Preferring to ring Bamber and then the police.

If that was unlikely, then it's just as unlikely that June would sleep through Sheila going so crazy Neville woke and decided to make two phone calls.

Despite the two huge unlikely occurances,  June was undisturbed and asleep prior to being shot with her head on the pillow.

The jury will deliberate these two almost impossible to understand occurances.

[Adam]

Must admit if I was in Neville's situation at 3am, I would just ask my wife/Sheila"s mother for assistance.

I'm sure 100% of other people would automatically do the same. Rather than ring another asleep relative 3 miles away.

[Adam]

Another reason for Neville to ask June for assistance, is that it gives Neville more control of the situation. He will know what June is or is not doing and can react accordingly to control things.

Neville would have no idea what Bamber would do after saying just 11 words to him, and not waiting for a reply.

As it happened Bamber did nothing for 26 minutes and didn't step inside WHF for days. Although three of Nevilles 11 words were 'please come over'.

[Steve_uk]

It is really a double problem for Bamber regarding June.

Neville had lots of chances to wake her and ask for assistance. But didn't. Preferring to ring Bamber and then the police.

If that was unlikely, then it's just as unlikely that June would sleep through Sheila going so crazy Neville woke and decided to make two phone calls.

Despite the two huge unlikely occurances,  June was undisturbed and asleep prior to being shot with her head on the pillow.

The jury will deliberate these two almost impossible to understand occurances.

Since Nevill did seem to leave the running of the household within to June and tended the Farm without I agree that in a crisis he would have turned to his wife and not telephoned the black sheep of the family.

[David1819]

Reasons why Neville would not ask June for help

A) June was in bed awake but too afraid to get out

B) June was already shot dead

Rather simple 

[Adam]

Reasons why Neville would not ask June for help

A) June was in bed awake but too afraid to get out

B) June was already shot dead

Rather simple 

Yes June would be scared of a discordinated woman sufferring from Tardrive Dyskinsia holding a rifle for shooting vermin. Thought she would move or protect the twins if she was scared. Anyway she was asleep when shot with her head on the pillow. Amazingly not waking from the noise or being woken by Neville.

So Neville rang Bamber after June had been shot dead. A bit late to ring someone 'sleeping like a log' who is 3 miles away. Sheila had started killing people. Was Sheila reloading while Neville was phoning Bamber ?

[Adam]

Since Nevill did seem to leave the running of the household within to June and tended the Farm without I agree that in a crisis he would have turned to his wife and not telephoned the black sheep of the family.

Yes, 100% of people would get any other adult in the house for assistance.  In the unlikely event that you're daughter has gone crazy with a rifle. In this case it was Neville's wife/Sheila's mother.

Or the other person would wake and offer assistance. 

No one would consider ringing an unreliable relative 3 miles away at 3am.

[Adam]

The CT have never said why Neville didn't ask for assistance from June. Or why June didn't wake and offer assistance. Which is surprising as it would assist them in  promoting the idea that Neville rang Bamber and then Chelmsford police instead.

Maybe they cannot think of a valid reason.

[David1819]

Thought she would move or protect the twins if she was scared.

Source? 



 

[lookout]

Reason for NOT asking June for help :

Because she'd been attending her GP for weeks leading right up to the tragedy and Neville had been devoting more of his time,help and support towards his wife.
We've not known the nature of June's illness.

[David1819]

Yes June would be scared of a discordinated woman sufferring from Tardrive Dyskinsia holding a rifle for shooting vermin. Thought she would move or protect the twins if she was scared. Anyway she was asleep when shot with her head on the pillow. Amazingly not waking from the noise or being woken by Neville.

So Neville rang Bamber after June had been shot dead. A bit late to ring someone 'sleeping like a log' who is 3 miles away. Sheila had started killing people. Was Sheila reloading while Neville was phoning Bamber ?

Since you have previously accepted the twins were first to go this contradicts your above post.

It's rather ironic that you believe the twins were first to go and that nevilles burn marks were made with the barrel of the gun. Both these point to Shelia being the killer.

[Adam]

Since you have previously accepted the twins were first to go this contradicts your above post.

It's rather ironic that you believe the twins were first to go and that nevilles burn marks were made with the barrel of the gun. Both these point to Shelia being the killer.

Well I agreed that Bamber may have shot one bullet each into the twins, before entering the main bedroom. As he would still have enough bullets left to kill a sleeping Neville and June. However I don't agree with Buddy that the evidence shows the twins were shot first.

This thread is about why Neville called Bamber and the 5th furthest away police station. Rather than ask June for assistance, or why June didn't wake and offer assistance.  You have said it is because Sheila had already killed June. You have also previously said the twins were shot first.

Do you believe Sheila was reloading when Neville called Bamber after she had killed June and the twins ?

[lookout]

If you've read the latest on mental health,you'll see that there have been 10+ murders committed by people with mental health issues.It DOESN'T have to be schizophrenics who commit murder,rather those who weren't listened to when speaking of suicide-----------such as Sheila.