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Offline jon

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Do you think the DPP were/are corrupt?
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-61993453.html Never !!

Yes very good, have a gold star.

Anyway, I'll rephrase my question: In the case of Jeremy Neville Bamber Vs Regina do you yhink the DPP actively sought to harm the defences case by withholding vital evidence?
One Hundred per cent did and are doing now !! Why withhold ONE piece of evidence ?

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Chocokeira...........so very well put. Am thinking that you should have been his barrister   ;)
The sad fact is,that I dont believe that JB will ever be set free all the while the relatives still inhabit this earth.I dont believe that it is because JB is a danger to the public,more that the relatives  and JM (rightly or wrongly)are doing a good job convincing the powers that be,that JB would be a danger to them if released.What bothers me is that if JB (according to JM),hired a hit-man to wipe out his immediate family for financial gain,then why not take the same route and have the relatives "done away with" too.He has had the money and surely the contacts whilst in prison.And what a perfect alibi he would have! Could you imagine? Most of his problems would be solved.The truth is,at the end of the day,JB is no cunning  gangster.He was just very unfortunate and unluckly to be adopted into a emotionally devoid and money driven family.

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Do you think the DPP were/are corrupt?
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-61993453.html Never !!

Yes very good, have a gold star.

Anyway, I'll rephrase my question: In the case of Jeremy Neville Bamber Vs Regina do you yhink the DPP actively sought to harm the defences case by withholding vital evidence?
One Hundred per cent did and are doing now !! Why withhold ONE piece of evidence ?

Yes I understand what you. are saying, but I'm questioning whether people think they withheld evidence just to make it difficult, or whether they actively and criminally with premeditation sought to frame an innocent man?

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Do you think the DPP were/are corrupt?
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-61993453.html Never !!

Yes very good, have a gold star.

Anyway, I'll rephrase my question: In the case of Jeremy Neville Bamber Vs Regina do you yhink the DPP actively sought to harm the defences case by withholding vital evidence?
One Hundred per cent did and are doing now !! Why withhold ONE piece of evidence ?

Yes I understand what you. are saying, but I'm questioning whether people think they withheld evidence just to make it difficult, or whether they actively and criminally with premeditation sought to frame an innocent man? The courts were a different place then than they are now , the DPP did what they had to do to win , they may call it Noble Cause .

Hartley

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Okay, well if you put it across in that way the it sounds much more feasible.

It's difficult for me to take seriously the scenario that the relatives, the police, the DPP, several different judges, the CCRC and a partridge in a pear tree, all conspired to secure a conviction of an innocent man and continued to conspire to keep the conviction safe.

But I guess stranger things have happened.

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Okay, well if you put it across in that way the it sounds much more feasible.

It's difficult for me to take seriously the scenario that the relatives, the police, the DPP, several different judges, the CCRC and a partridge in a pear tree, all conspired to secure a conviction of an innocent man and continued to conspire to keep the conviction safe.

But I guess stranger things have happened.
Its happened before , but thats not the point , did you read them pages out of David Shaw's book , they gave a good insight how it all worked .

Hartley

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Okay, well if you put it across in that way the it sounds much more feasible.

It's difficult for me to take seriously the scenario that the relatives, the police, the DPP, several different judges, the CCRC and a partridge in a pear tree, all conspired to secure a conviction of an innocent man and continued to conspire to keep the conviction safe.

But I guess stranger things have happened.
Its happened before , but thats not the point , did you read them pages out of David Shaw's book , they gave a good insight how it all worked .

No not yet, I've got his book but haven't started it yet.

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Okay, well if you put it across in that way the it sounds much more feasible.

It's difficult for me to take seriously the scenario that the relatives, the police, the DPP, several different judges, the CCRC and a partridge in a pear tree, all conspired to secure a conviction of an innocent man and continued to conspire to keep the conviction safe.

But I guess stranger things have happened.
Its happened before , but thats not the point , did you read them pages out of David Shaw's book , they gave a good insight how it all worked .

No not yet, I've got his book but haven't started it yet.
Do put up your view's when you have , if you start it with an open mind !!

Hartley

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Okay, well if you put it across in that way the it sounds much more feasible.

It's difficult for me to take seriously the scenario that the relatives, the police, the DPP, several different judges, the CCRC and a partridge in a pear tree, all conspired to secure a conviction of an innocent man and continued to conspire to keep the conviction safe.

But I guess stranger things have happened.
Its happened before , but thats not the point , did you read them pages out of David Shaw's book , they gave a good insight how it all worked .

No not yet, I've got his book but haven't started it yet.
Do put up your view's when you have , if you start it with an open mind !!

Will do.

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i didnt know that shaws innocent man had actually been made into a book, thought he was still looking for a publisher, where can i buy it?

Hartley

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i didnt know that shaws innocent man had actually been made into a book, thought he was still looking for a publisher, where can i buy it?

It's called 'Over the edge' I don't think it's published anymore. You might be able to find a second hand copy somewhere on the net.

Hartley

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i didnt know that shaws innocent man had actually been made into a book, thought he was still looking for a publisher, where can i buy it?

It's called 'Over the edge' I don't think it's published anymore. You might be able to find a second hand copy somewhere on the net.

ISBN Number: 0646330470.

andrea

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just looked on the net, is the book about athletes and steroid abuse or is it about the bamber case?

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Hartley.. Do you think the some bamber supporters seem to be pointing at these two variations for a conspiracy theory?

Member/s of raid team make a f*** up.  After some argument, everyone agrees it was a bad day at the office... move on.. . tow the line and we can sort this etc.  We need to look after each other etc.

The training thing with informatives is at the moment, neither here nor there.  But it becomes a bloody nightmare much further down the line.

The relatives, possibly for mixed reasons / motives, go hell for leather to force the police to investigate Jeremy.

Something... causes the police to buckle.  This is the crucial missing link in the conspiracy chain.  What could be of such magnitude as to cause the police to buckle?

Bamber gets framed in a sophisticated and ruthless manipulation of evidence that would make even the West Midlands Crime Squad look like amateurs.

Somebody in authority notices that there is a bad smell emanating from this investigation / trial and conviction. 

They look in to it and become quite shocked at what they find.  They decide that the best course of action is to back up their cousins from over the way... because the public would cause merry hell if certain things got out... and there may be reputations and pensions at stake etc.... including quite far up their cousin's hiearchy.  Not good at all. 

Other more senior people get to find out and decide that the situation is even worse now because the first lot of senior people have also tarnished themselves by also substituting the real truth for a plastic immitation one.

Here we reach a vortex.  From here, every layer of seniority that comes in to contact with the case also becomes implicated in the wrongdoing by default.. i.e. they fall in to the trap that it's not in the public interest... as a consequence they also implicate themslves in the cover up.

The further up the line the smell goes ... the further the smell cements itself as being 'not in the public interest'.

In other words the conspiracy theory is that COLP had the opportunity to blow the case wide open and right a serious wrong, but at a great cost to their cousins.  They didn't have the bottle to do it.  By bottling, they effectively locked everyone else above them in the chain of command, in to a similar pattern of response.  In this model... the corruption is institutionalized.

The variation on this conspiracy theory is that the further up the line it goes, the further the truth is manipulated to those in positions of seniority.  In this model, those in positions of seniority are fooled rather than tarnishing themsleves by default.
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Offline paulg

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One thing i do know about different area forces, is that they couldn't give a shit if they dropped the other force in it. COLP would have dropped EP in it, if they found the evidence to...thats not to say EP didn't manage to cover up the evidence COLP needed.