Author Topic: When the enquiry changed from a suicide to murder did the relatives have alibis?  (Read 32666 times)

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clifford

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No Harts I believe the judge in Bambers case stepped over the line in his summing up. I don,t suppose you did though.
I don't really have an opinion about it.

Do you think if he summed it up differently the juries verdict would be different?
Maybe. Don,t know though. He certainly did,nt help JB.

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No Harts I believe the judge in Bambers case stepped over the line in his summing up. I don,t suppose you did though.
I don't really have an opinion about it.

Do you think if he summed it up differently the juries verdict would be different?
Maybe. Don,t know though. He certainly did,nt help JB.
I'm afraid there is an unhappy history of judges directing juries on how to vote in their summing up.

Hartley

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No Harts I believe the judge in Bambers case stepped over the line in his summing up. I don,t suppose you did though.
I don't really have an opinion about it.

Do you think if he summed it up differently the juries verdict would be different?
Maybe. Don,t know though. He certainly did,nt help JB.
No I guess not.

clifford

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No Harts I believe the judge in Bambers case stepped over the line in his summing up. I don,t suppose you did though.
I don't really have an opinion about it.

Do you think if he summed it up differently the juries verdict would be different?
Maybe. Don,t know though. He certainly did,nt help JB.
I'm afraid there is an unhappy history of judges directing juries on how to vote in their summing up.
I know a few have let peodofiles off. Scuse the spelling.

Hartley

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No Harts I believe the judge in Bambers case stepped over the line in his summing up. I don,t suppose you did though.
I don't really have an opinion about it.

Do you think if he summed it up differently the juries verdict would be different?
Maybe. Don,t know though. He certainly did,nt help JB.
I'm afraid there is an unhappy history of judges directing juries on how to vote in their summing up.
I know a few have let peodofiles off. Scuse the spelling.
I don't know about the individual cases, but I wonder how much of it is about letting them off as opposed to simply judging the evidence put before them, if the evidence presented is poor then what choice do they have?

John

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No Harts I believe the judge in Bambers case stepped over the line in his summing up. I don,t suppose you did though.
I don't really have an opinion about it.

Do you think if he summed it up differently the juries verdict would be different?
Maybe. Don,t know though. He certainly did,nt help JB.
I'm afraid there is an unhappy history of judges directing juries on how to vote in their summing up.
I know a few have let peodofiles off. Scuse the spelling.
I don't know about the individual cases, but I wonder how much of it is about letting them off as opposed to simply judging the evidence put before them, if the evidence presented is poor then what choice do they have?

I have several judges in my family going back a long time. My dad was a Justice of the Peace just like Nevill and sat on judgement on many tribunals. He used to show me the paperwork relating to the cases beforehand and I would give my opinion. I always wondered if he acted on them??   :P

chochokeira

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The Bamber's, Boutflour's and Eaton's are respected members of the local community.  Arrogance and greed may be one thing but murder of an entire family including two young children is a completely different issue.  It takes a special type of character to do such a thing...do we know anyone that fits the bill?  :o
I know a few people who don't like them.

I know lot's of people who do like them, but it doesn't matter, this isn't a popularity contest. ;)
Well it is isn't it? Because there are many people judging JB by the same rod of popularity, saying things like he was a nasty selfish money grubbing guy so he fits the bill of a murderer. Also it is why Jackie posted the question isn't it?

Good point, Grahame, a popularity contest is how some treat this case and that's so wrong in my view. +1

Good point, Harters, a family have died, a young man has lost his freedom for 25 years. This case involves serious issues, it should not be misrepresented as some sort of beauty contest.

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chochokeira

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Yes, and if we could put differences of opinions aside for just a moment and stand in the neutral corner.

If they thought JB did it and it was looking like he was going to get away with it, then how else would you expect them to behave? Yes of course we can pick out inappropriate behaviour, from the relatives and from JB.
Perhaps they were desperate, but desperate to ensure JB didn't get away with it rather than desperate to have the inheritance themselves.

Perhaps the relatives did indeed plant evidence to frame JB; perhaps they framed JB, but in actual fact he was also guilty; or maybe they didn't frame him at all?

Either way as Grahame says, it doesn't make any difference to my life whatever happens, but we've all got an a*****e.
Yes I agree. We must stand neutral sometimes and even examine our own theries at times. Because we can become so involved with our own opinions that there is always the danger of not seeing the wood for the trees. So I find it useful sometimes to put myself in the shoes of those who have a different opinion than mine to try and see where they are coming from. Yes I agree also that the thoughts of the relatives was not primarily that of getting an inheritance. I should think the shock of such an event would have been overwhelming to any ordinary person, let alone those who were directly related to them?


"You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view - until you climb into his skin and walk around in it."

Atticus's dictum (To Kill A Mockingbird)

chelmsey

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The Bamber's, Boutflour's and Eaton's are respected members of the local community.  Arrogance and greed may be one thing but murder of an entire family including two young children is a completely different issue.  It takes a special type of character to do such a thing...do we know anyone that fits the bill?  :o
I know a few people who don't like them.

I know lot's of people who do like them, but it doesn't matter, this isn't a popularity contest. ;)
Well it is isn't it? Because there are many people judging JB by the same rod of popularity, saying things like he was a nasty selfish money grubbing guy so he fits the bill of a murderer. Also it is why Jackie posted the question isn't it?

Good point, Grahame, a popularity contest is how some treat this case and that's so wrong in my view. +1

Good point, Harters, a family have died, a young man has lost his freedom for 25 years. This case involves serious issues, it should not be misrepresented as some sort of beauty contest.

G
John...........you are quite right.Arrogance and greed does not make someone a murderer! So why is JB incacerated? Because he was well and truly stitched up,that is why! Why would someone murder their entire family for an inheritance that was going to be theirs anyway? I will believe totally in JBs guilt when I am shown some hard evidence.Because testimonys from people who stood to gain financially from JBs conviction and a "magically appearing"  bloodied sound moderator,just dont do it for me!

CHRIS T

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John...........you are quite right.Arrogance and greed does not make someone a murderer! So why is JB incacerated? Because he was well and truly stitched up,that is why! Why would someone murder their entire family for an inheritance that was going to be theirs anyway? I will believe totally in JBs guilt when I am shown some hard evidence.Because testimonys from people who stood to gain financially from JBs conviction and a "magically appearing"  bloodied sound moderator,just dont do it for me!
Well said, Lady C. I couldn't agree with you more. +1

chochokeira

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The Bamber's, Boutflour's and Eaton's are respected members of the local community.  Arrogance and greed may be one thing but murder of an entire family including two young children is a completely different issue.  It takes a special type of character to do such a thing...do we know anyone that fits the bill?  :o
I know a few people who don't like them.

I know lot's of people who do like them, but it doesn't matter, this isn't a popularity contest. ;)
Well it is isn't it? Because there are many people judging JB by the same rod of popularity, saying things like he was a nasty selfish money grubbing guy so he fits the bill of a murderer. Also it is why Jackie posted the question isn't it?

Good point, Grahame, a popularity contest is how some treat this case and that's so wrong in my view. +1

Good point, Harters, a family have died, a young man has lost his freedom for 25 years. This case involves serious issues, it should not be misrepresented as some sort of beauty contest.

G
John...........you are quite right.Arrogance and greed does not make someone a murderer! So why is JB incacerated? Because he was well and truly stitched up,that is why! Why would someone murder their entire family for an inheritance that was going to be theirs anyway? I will believe totally in JBs guilt when I am shown some hard evidence.Because testimonys from people who stood to gain financially from JBs conviction and a "magically appearing"  bloodied sound moderator,just dont do it for me!


Exactly, Lady C, where is this hard evidence of JB's guilt? The police could find nothing to link him to the murder scene: no forensics, no blood, no injuries on JB, no mud on the bicycle.

What was the motive for Bamber to brutally slaughter all of the members of his entire immediate family? Doesn't the alleged greed motive break down in the light of the share of his frail and elderly grandmother's substantial estate that Bamber would have inherited within months had he not been charged with these murders?

The most damning allegations against Bamber were only made by his girlfriend after he'd cuckolded her: this key witness, given immunity from prosecution for her crimes, sold her story to the News Of The World for an astonishingly high sum, sufficient to purchase a flat (and a good time overseas?). She had, on her own admission, attempted to smother Jeremy to prevent him leaving her and seeing someone else.

Most of the remaining allegations were made by an extended family who stood to lose substantial shares in their homes, farms and business if Jeremy was found to be innocent. 

All the while, vital evidence which supported Bamber's innocence never saw the light of day in the courtroom because it was suppressed. Jeremy Bamber's conviction was secured beneath the veil of secrecy of a PII gagging order. The substantial amount of evidence witheld from the defence and court, thanks to the misapplication of this shadowy instrument of suppression, meant that the truth of what really happened at White House Farm on 7th August 1985 could never be determined. Bamber was convicted of five murders and condemned to die in prison without Bamber, his defence or the jury ever knowing what the case against him really was or what evidence existed in support of his innocence or guilt.

This to me is the most damning evidence of this entire case: that which was suppressed. This suppression of evidence under the auspices of PII has thrown a veil of secrecy around this case which predjudiced and precluded a just outcome. It precluded Bamber and his defence team properly understanding the case against JB. It prevented Bamber properly defending himself. It thereby denied Jeremy Bamber a fair trial

 

Hartley

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Do you think the DPP were/are corrupt?

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Hartley

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Do you think the DPP were/are corrupt?
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-61993453.html Never !!

Yes very good, have a gold star.

Anyway, I'll rephrase my question: In the case of Jeremy Neville Bamber Vs Regina do you yhink the DPP actively sought to harm the defences case by withholding vital evidence?