When the enquiry changed from a suicide to murder did the relatives have alibis?

[John]

John, Your claimed agenda is to reveal the truth. Yet it's all too apparent that your real agenda is to distort the truth by whatever means. Here's a prime example of this. You have totally distorted the Hansard record of a section of a parliamentary debate by taking a distorted, selective quotation from this without even indicating that you have cut this section short. Your quotation states:

Maybe you haven't noticed Keira that it was selective in that it answered your earlier question but then again you don't like answers to your questions do you?   

[John]

What an unbelievable post Shona I will reply to that tomorrow cuckoo you say right I know where you are coming from

And Paul
Jeremy is about as insignificant as the Guildford four and Birmingham six

Remind me Paul why were they in prison how many  appeals did they have


Shona I wonder why so many people support jeremy why is that Shona I think we look at the world through different eyes

Night

There she goes with the name calling again....quite a list now Jackie.

Thick...liar...stupid...cuckoo...

And here you are distorting the truth once again.

Jackie did not, as I recall, call anyone a cuckoo, she was refering to someone else's use of the term.

But, why allow inconvenient facts like the truth to get in the way of your smear campaigns, eh, John?

She made a disingenuous reference to the name 'cuckoo' when replying to Shona as Shona herself has previously used the term to describe someone who is adopted within a family.

As far as I am aware Shona is not adopted...maybe Shona will tell us?

[Hartley]

Perhaps if punctuation was used such misunderstandings (if it is one cuckoo) wouldn't occur.

I'd take that I phone back to the shop if it can't even punctuate a sentence, mine can, so maybe it's just user error?

[John]

What an unbelievable post Shona I will reply to that tomorrow cuckoo you say right I know where you are coming from

And Paul
Jeremy is about as insignificant as the Guildford four and Birmingham six

Remind me Paul why were they in prison how many  appeals did they have


Shona I wonder why so many people support jeremy why is that Shona I think we look at the world through different eyes

Night

There she goes with the name calling again....quite a list now Jackie.

Thick...liar...stupid...cuckoo...

And here you are distorting the truth once again.

Jackie did not, as I recall, call anyone a cuckoo, she was refering to someone else's use of the term.

But, why allow inconvenient facts like the truth to get in the way of your smear campaigns, eh, John?

Are you for real? Distorting the truth? It's no different from 75% of other peoples posts though is it, unless other people saying things like JM lied, PC plod 1 falsified that, pc plod 2 is corrupt, the relatives murdered everyone not JB, etc, etc.

But of course you don't see those types of posts as lying because they reinforce your view.

Jackie is just rude, perhaps if she was a little more polite to people and respected that people have different views, and perhaps if she wasn't so preachy, the a few more people might be willing to listen to what she has to say.

Take a leaf out of Grahams, Rochfords, Abs or Cliffs or Andreas book maybe, they all appear to have similar views that JB is innocent, but they are generally quite civil to folk with opposing views.

I will second that Hartley, I will also take the opportunity to apologise to Keira whom I accused of name calling.  I accept that that was wrong, however, her comment about you running away with your tail between your legs was totally uncalled for.  Shame on her!   

[Jackiepreece]

Hartley are you saying you have never made a comment regarding the fact you think I have some kind of close relationship with JB it's constant you belong to the little click of people who believe that I would only help someone because I am in a relationship with them and infact because of work and research I have done on this case a lot of people have contacted me about other miscarriages of justice and I would support anyone I beleived to be innocent.
Hopefully a new television series will be broadcast on tv that will focus on miscarriages of justice.

Shona one of your main reasons to believe Sheila did not commit the murders you have stated on numerous occasions you do not believe Sheila would murder her children do you accept now that mothers do sometimes murder their own children

[Hartley]

I will second that Hartley, I will also take the opportunity to apologise to Keira whom I accused of name calling.  I accept that that was wrong, however, her comment about you running away with your tail between your legs was totally uncalled for.  Shame on her!   

Haven't even got a tale, so dat's a false accusation that is right der dat is.  :D

[Hartley]

Hartley are you saying you have never made a comment regarding the fact you think I have some kind of close relationship with JB it's constant you belong to the little click of people who believe that I would only help someone because I am in a relationship with them and infact because of work and research I have done on this case a lot of people have contacted me about other miscarriages of justice and I would support anyone I beleived to be innocent.

Erm yes I absolutely will say I have made no such comment, there's challenge number two for you, go find a post to prove me wrong please!

Plus you say you support someone, that's fine, but please don't accuse me of being anti-Bamber or anti-anyone either, unless again you can point to anything that I have posted which would support that.

I am pretty fair in what I say for the most part, you obviously never finish reading my posts.

How do you breathe, eat or drink with all these bitter accusations and allegations flowing out of every orifice 24 hours a day?

[Hartley]

Another point, referring to the title of this thread, didn't the relatives have blood samples taken to eliminate them from their inquiries into the silencer discovery?

I have no doubt whatsoever that they were questioned with sufficient attention to detail to eliminate them from being a suspect.

No amount of ranting or slanderous utter piffle (  ) will change that.

[John]

Yes, I used the word cuckoo, as in a greedy, ungrateful youngster, watching the poor, hard-working parents doing their best to rear him. Did JB, or did he not, say that he would have no problem in killing his parents? Did he not steal from them? And here come the smites - does a cuckoo not throw out all the other young from the nest so that he can get all the grub? I am beginning to sound like I am ranting, I'd better have a nice sit down and a look at the Daily Mail...........

Jackie doesn't like her hero being portrayed in such a bad light Shona, it ruins whatever false image she and others are trying to spin on his behalf with all these media followers. Sorry Jacksie but its true and when we are on the subject you know very well the lies you promote, the biggest one being off course that Jeremy is innocent of his crimes.

[Jackiepreece]

John have you decided on us meeting up yet?

John where have I said that JB was my hero and if you knew me you might think very famous footballers are my thing

Hartley are all your old posts on here from when you couldn't take it anymore and disappeared for a few weeks

[Hartley]

Hartley are all your old posts on here from when you couldn't take it anymore and disappeared for a few weeks

Couldn't take it any more?  You are priceless dear.

My old posts such as this one you mean? :

Back for a one time parting shot  But then I'll be gone again. 

Just wanted to say that I was kinda getting fed up with some of the personal vibes going back and forth (for which I'm sure I'm just as guilty).

I was also getting fed up with peoples preconceptions, what's the point in joining in if the only thing your going to do is preach and of course he/she who preaches loudest wins?

I'll also take the opportunity to apologise to the hordes of people I've no doubt offended, seriously no offence intended, as I've said in the past it would be mighty boring if everyone agreed all the time.

Anyway, it seems like most of this has been debated to death, I don't have as much time as I used to and I don't feel I've got anything left to contribute anyway (other than poking fun at the cheerleaders  :D ) so I'll leave you to it, I may rejoin if something new emerges, or when the CCRC verdict comes in, but until then happy debating chaps and chap-esses, take care x.

[jon]

Another point, referring to the title of this thread, didn't the relatives have blood samples taken to eliminate them from their inquiries into the silencer discovery?

I have no doubt whatsoever that they were questioned with sufficient attention to detail to eliminate them from being a suspect.

No amount of ranting or slanderous utter piffle (  ) will change that.

They refused to give DNA samples , upon the discovery of DNA !!

[Hartley]

Another point, referring to the title of this thread, didn't the relatives have blood samples taken to eliminate them from their inquiries into the silencer discovery?

I have no doubt whatsoever that they were questioned with sufficient attention to detail to eliminate them from being a suspect.

No amount of ranting or slanderous utter piffle (  ) will change that.

They refused to give DNA samples , upon the discovery of DNA !!

What would that imply then?

When was that, in 1996 wasn't it (I'm not sure) ?

[John]

John have you decided on us meeting up yet?

John where have I said that JB was my hero and if you knew me you might think very famous footballers are my thing

Hartley are all your old posts on here from when you couldn't take it anymore and disappeared for a few weeks

I believe I already posted that I will be in the area again in the near future with my involvement in another high profile case nearby. Maybe you would like to join our demonstration in London in July which seeks to highlight miscarriages of justice within the UK. You and Keira would be most welcome.

[jon]

Another point, referring to the title of this thread, didn't the relatives have blood samples taken to eliminate them from their inquiries into the silencer discovery?

I have no doubt whatsoever that they were questioned with sufficient attention to detail to eliminate them from being a suspect.

No amount of ranting or slanderous utter piffle (  ) will change that.

They refused to give DNA samples , upon the discovery of DNA !!

What would that imply then?

When was that, in 1996 wasn't it (I'm not sure) ?

Make of it what you will !! Myself if i nothing to hide i would give mine willingly , hoping i could put this all to bed once and for all .