When the enquiry changed from a suicide to murder did the relatives have alibis?

[Roch]

Jackie got her knickers in a twist again as usual.  How can I answer your silly questions when I am away?

In any event I asked the question as to who fits the bill as a psychotic cold blooded murderer.  I believe Julie Mugford and 10 good men and women have already answered that one!   

John you posted twice and Hartley you posted twice. What do you mean you haven't said anything. Got yur knickers in a twist as well have we?

I didn't say I hadn't posted anything, I was informed I'd had a lot to say for myself,  I posted a joke and a reply to the likability of the relatives and that's all.

Yes my knickers are well and truly in a twist (I knew thongs were a bad idea), I'm clearly going nuclear in a mad rage confronting every post I disagree with, how dare people think they can have a different view to mine, it will come back and either do the ghost thing and haunt them or do the corgi thing and bite them on the ass, they will be sorry, etc, etc.

Come on guys get a grip.

Having said what I have said on this thread though. I think personally that it may be we are going down a bit of a blind alley. Some of the relatives, although they may have behaved in an inappropriate way with regard to the investigation and some of the things they said should not have been taken as seriously as they were, nevertheless I don't think any of them had any involvement in the murders.

Yeah a bit of character assassination never hurts though. 

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You could be right, but they sure as hell made sure that Jeremy was put in the frame...

I think some relatives genuinely believed Jeremy had done it.  And you would expect them to go hell for leather on a miss marple witchhunt, which is what they appeared to actually do.  If you commit your heart and soul to a cause, it can become a blinkered obsession. 

I think the reaction of Taff Jones to the relatives is very interesting.  He may have snubbed them because he actually knew what had really took place, as is suggested by the defence etc.  However, he was not around to defend his stance when it was later portrayed that he had held such a stance, precisely because he was too stubborn to admit he had got it wrong on Jeremy Bamber having no involvement. 

If he had still been around, there may have been big problems securing and then maintaining for any length of time, a murder conviction for Jeremy Bamber.

[shonapugs]

Actually, not everyone does have an a******e. Like Cliff Richard and the Queen Mum. Allegedly.

I'll get my coat, again.

[grahameb]

Actually, not everyone does have an a******e. Like Cliff Richard and the Queen Mum. Allegedly.

I'll get my coat, again.

And some people are described as a******es.

[Hartley]

Actually, not everyone does have an a******e. Like Cliff Richard and the Queen Mum. Allegedly.

I'll get my coat, again.

And some people are described as a******es.

What are you trying to say!!!   

[Alias]

Yes, and if we could put differences of opinions aside for just a moment and stand in the neutral corner.

If they thought JB did it and it was looking like he was going to get away with it, then how else would you expect them to behave? Yes of course we can pick out inappropriate behaviour, from the relatives and from JB.
Perhaps they were desperate, but desperate to ensure JB didn't get away with it rather than desperate to have the inheritance themselves.

Perhaps the relatives did indeed plant evidence to frame JB; perhaps they framed JB, but in actual fact he was also guilty; or maybe they didn't frame him at all?

Either way as Grahame says, it doesn't make any difference to my life whatever happens, but we've all got an a*****e.

Yes I agree. We must stand neutral sometimes and even examine our own theries at times. Because we can become so involved with our own opinions that there is always the danger of not seeing the wood for the trees. So I find it useful sometimes to put myself in the shoes of those who have a different opinion than mine to try and see where they are coming from. Yes I agree also that the thoughts of the relatives was not primarily that of getting an inheritance. I should think the shock of such an event would have been overwhelming to any ordinary person, let alone those who were directly related to them?

I thought about that - it must have been a traumatic experience for the relatives as well; but we only hear about their sleuthing antics, stripping the house of valuables etc. And their behaviour WAS strange, it just was.  Jeremy's too.
The impression you have of the lot is that their family members are slaughtered and they immediately go into fighting-over-the-possessions-mode. Some of them must have grieved - surely?? Its just that we haven't really heard much about that.
Are there any indications that any of them were actually mourning apart from Jeremy obviously at the funerals?

[Hartley]

I thought about that - it must have been a traumatic experience for the relatives as well; but we only hear about their sleuthing antics, stripping the house of valuables etc. And their behaviour WAS strange, it just was.  Jeremy's too.
The impression you have of the lot is that their family members are slaughtered and they immediately go into fighting-over-the-possessions-mode. Some of them must have grieved - surely?? Its just that we haven't really heard much about that.
Are there any indications that any of them were actually mourning apart from Jeremy obviously at the funerals?

Blinks ~rubs eyes~ blinks again. 

Wow I'm stunned, a thought about the relatives which doesn't involve painting them blacker than a black thing in a very dark room in the dead of night whilst wearing sunglasses!!!

[Jackiepreece]

Unfortunately for you John I am back and I don't agree with a lot of what has just been said


A major factor for me was this very hidden factor of land deals and death duties!

I want anyone to tell me if there was any reason for this to be held under PII

As far as I can see the relatives were in dire straights

Neville had tried to help them and ended up with a punch in the face

Who hid this under PII

Why has Jeremy only just found out this after 26 years
Does anyone on here not believe  it would have made a difference to the verdict if that information had it been available because I don't believe Jeremy would have been convicted

I asked John the question yesterday about the statement who fits the bill

If you are looking who fits the bill it's definately not Jeremy

Why not try looking closer to home

And these wonderful caring relatives what measures did they go to get Julie mugford charged with anything after she could have prevented there cherished family being wiped out including 2 beautiful children

In fact going by posts from the queens head she is welcomed back with open arms

It's obvious who doesn't fit the bill to me

[Roch]

I thought about that - it must have been a traumatic experience for the relatives as well; but we only hear about their sleuthing antics, stripping the house of valuables etc. And their behaviour WAS strange, it just was.  Jeremy's too.
The impression you have of the lot is that their family members are slaughtered and they immediately go into fighting-over-the-possessions-mode. Some of them must have grieved - surely?? Its just that we haven't really heard much about that.
Are there any indications that any of them were actually mourning apart from Jeremy obviously at the funerals?

Blinks ~rubs eyes~ blinks again. 

Wow I'm stunned, a thought about the relatives which doesn't involve painting them blacker than a black thing in a very dark room in the dead of night whilst wearing sunglasses!!!

The relatives.  I tend to be cautious regarding criticism of the relatives.  But I have a couple of queries.  The first one relates to the recent Titlerole drama documentary which I have not seen.  Were the relatives opinions aired in any detail, in this or in any other previous television representation of the crime?

[Hartley]

Unfortunately for you John I am back and I don't agree with a lot of what has just been said


A major factor for me was this very hidden factor of land deals and death duties!

I want anyone to tell me if there was any reason for this to be held under PII

As far as I can see the relatives were in dire straights

Neville had tried to help them and ended up with a punch in the face

Who hid this under PII

Why has Jeremy only just found out this after 26 years
Does anyone on here not believe  it would have made a difference to the verdict if that information had it been available because I don't believe Jeremy would have been convicted

I asked John the question yesterday about the statement who fits the bill

If you are looking who fits the bill it's definately not Jeremy

Why not try looking closer to home

And these wonderful caring relatives what measures did they go to get Julie mugford charged with anything after she could have prevented there cherished family being wiped out including 2 beautiful children

In fact going by posts from the queens head she is welcomed back with open arms

It's obvious who doesn't fit the bill to me

Aaaaaah, there we go, that's better, normal service resumed, thought I'd stepped into an alternate reality for a second then, I was getting quite concerned. 

Blinks ~rubs eyes~ blinks again. 

Wow I'm stunned, a thought about the relatives which doesn't involve painting them blacker than a black thing in a very dark room in the dead of night whilst wearing sunglasses!!!

[John]

Unfortunately for you John I am back and I don't agree with a lot of what has just been said


A major factor for me was this very hidden factor of land deals and death duties!

I want anyone to tell me if there was any reason for this to be held under PII

As far as I can see the relatives were in dire straights

Neville had tried to help them and ended up with a punch in the face

Who hid this under PII

Why has Jeremy only just found out this after 26 years
Does anyone on here not believe  it would have made a difference to the verdict if that information had it been available because I don't believe Jeremy would have been convicted

I asked John the question yesterday about the statement who fits the bill

If you are looking who fits the bill it's definately not Jeremy

Why not try looking closer to home

And these wonderful caring relatives what measures did they go to get Julie mugford charged with anything after she could have prevented there cherished family being wiped out including 2 beautiful children

In fact going by posts from the queens head she is welcomed back with open arms

It's obvious who doesn't fit the bill to me

Unfortunately for you Jackie you don't have to agree with me but the fact is you are in a minority.

Neville undoubtedly saw an opportunity to expand his empire, that is why he got the punch in the gob from Peter.

Oh Jeremy very much fits the bill after what he told Muggy and several others...what an idiot!

[John]

Unfortunately for you John I am back and I don't agree with a lot of what has just been said


A major factor for me was this very hidden factor of land deals and death duties!

I want anyone to tell me if there was any reason for this to be held under PII

As far as I can see the relatives were in dire straights

Neville had tried to help them and ended up with a punch in the face

Who hid this under PII

Why has Jeremy only just found out this after 26 years
Does anyone on here not believe  it would have made a difference to the verdict if that information had it been available because I don't believe Jeremy would have been convicted

I asked John the question yesterday about the statement who fits the bill

If you are looking who fits the bill it's definately not Jeremy

Why not try looking closer to home

And these wonderful caring relatives what measures did they go to get Julie mugford charged with anything after she could have prevented there cherished family being wiped out including 2 beautiful children

In fact going by posts from the queens head she is welcomed back with open arms

It's obvious who doesn't fit the bill to me

Aaaaaah, there we go, that's better, normal service resumed, thought I'd stepped into an alternate reality for a second then, I was getting quite concerned. 

Blinks ~rubs eyes~ blinks again. 

Wow I'm stunned, a thought about the relatives which doesn't involve painting them blacker than a black thing in a very dark room in the dead of night whilst wearing sunglasses!!!

Go on admit it Hartley....you just like a good old scowl!!   

[Hartley]

I thought about that - it must have been a traumatic experience for the relatives as well; but we only hear about their sleuthing antics, stripping the house of valuables etc. And their behaviour WAS strange, it just was.  Jeremy's too.
The impression you have of the lot is that their family members are slaughtered and they immediately go into fighting-over-the-possessions-mode. Some of them must have grieved - surely?? Its just that we haven't really heard much about that.
Are there any indications that any of them were actually mourning apart from Jeremy obviously at the funerals?

Blinks ~rubs eyes~ blinks again. 

Wow I'm stunned, a thought about the relatives which doesn't involve painting them blacker than a black thing in a very dark room in the dead of night whilst wearing sunglasses!!!

The relatives.  I tend to be cautious regarding criticism of the relatives.  But I have a couple of queries.  The first one relates to the recent Titlerole drama documentary which I have not seen.  Were the relatives opinions aired in any detail, in this or in any other previous television representation of the crime?

I'm not sure, David seems to make the odd press statement etc, but the Eatons keep themselves to themselves, they are quite private.
So if anybody did offer their opinion I expect it would have been David, but I doubt any of them did.

[Hartley]

Go on admit it Hartley....you just like a good old scowl!!   

Guilty as charged. 

[Jackiepreece]

Some people on here are as thick as the relatives shouldn't someone on here point out to the relatives that it's not a good thing protecting and being friends with someone who had knowledge of the murders

People might think they colluded together in getting Jeremy convicted

Hartley a bit of good news for you to pass on to your friends the relatives and everyone at the queens head there is going to be a leaflet drop in the area saying 'let's Get Jeremy Bamber back home where he belongs'
(I designed them) there is going to be a yellow ribbon around all the trees and posters on every available space.  It's a mammoth task so it gets in all the newspapers you can help if you want.

It will be like Christmas morning when you wake up your village will be well and truly back in the headlines so everyone is up to date on the hidden PII find about relatives finances

More publicity is a good idea Hartley so everyone knows what's going on

[Hartley]

Some people on here are as thick as the relatives shouldn't someone on here point out to the relatives that it's not a good thing protecting and being friends with someone who had knowledge of the murders

People might think they colluded together in getting Jeremy convicted

Hartley a bit of good news for you to pass on to your friends the relatives and everyone at the queens head there is going to be a leaflet drop in the area saying 'let's Get Jeremy Bamber back home where he belongs'
(I designed them) there is going to be a yellow ribbon around all the trees and posters on every available space.  It's a mammoth task so it gets in all the newspapers you can help if you want.

It will be like Christmas morning when you wake up your village will be well and truly back in the headlines so everyone is up to date on the hidden PII find about relatives finances

More publicity is a good idea Hartley so everyone knows what's going on

You crack on love, good luck to ya.