The Secret Land deal - relatives did not want anyone to find out about?

[mike tesko]

So the punch is only stated by David Shaw, yet it's being quoted as fact, and now being described as a violent punch, not sure what the difference is?

Maybe Neville did deserve it, if it occurred, we just don't know, conclusions are being jumped to based on preconceptions.

JB selling photos of Bambi is stated in newspaper articles, seems to me that is as strong if not a stronger source than an article penned by a vocal JB supporter.

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seems to me, that because the Eatons owed such a vast amount of monies to the Bamber estate, they did everything imaginable to conceal the truth about this from the police at the time of the origibnal investigations, and they were anxious that Jeremy did not get wind of it - or they knew that if he did, they would have had very serious financial problems and may have ended up having to sell the farm (Oak) to pay the debt back to the bamber estate...

Seems to me...

They went out of their way to conceal the truth about these matters from everyone, whilst at the same time going out of their way to try and paint Jeremy in a poor light...

If necessary, I will post the details of the Bamber estates to show that the monies borrowed from Ralph Bamber were deliberately and willfully omitted from the official estates...

[John]

It wasn't hard, Jeremy by his actions did that all on his own.

[mike tesko]

It wasn't hard, Jeremy by his actions did that all on his own.

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the actions you are referring to were described by the relatives to the police,. and are not accepted by Jeremy as having occurred in the way the relatives have sought to describe them - on the other hand, the relatives concealed the fact that they owed the Bamber estates hundreds of thousands of pounds at the time of the deaths. These monies, were not declared as part of the Bamber estates when they were calculated...

Now if that ain't one big deception, then I do not know what is?

Lets get the facts right, there were substantial loans of cash for two separate families of relatives, made by Ralph Bamber - (1) the Pargeters, and (2) the Eatons...

At the time of the deaths, these relatives stood to benefit by a vast amount of money irrespective of anything they might be entitled to as a result of any will...

[mike tesko]

Not only did the relatives line their own pockets with monies loaned to them by Ralph Bamber, which was not declared as part of Ralph Bambers estate, but when these relatives started their campaign to implicate Jeremy, they did not tell the police about the deceptions they were engaged in, and when they turned up at the trial they did not tell the court before whom they all testified as part of the prosecutions case, that they had all diddled Ralph Bambers estate of hundreds of thousands of pounds...

[mike tesko]

I will be posting details of the Ralph Bamber estate very shortly, with a view to substantiating everything I am saying...

[John]

the actions you are referring to were described by the relatives to the police,. and are not accepted by Jeremy as having occurred in the way the relatives have sought to describe them -

He would say that wouldn't he?

[mike tesko]

the actions you are referring to were described by the relatives to the police,. and are not accepted by Jeremy as having occurred in the way the relatives have sought to describe them -

He would say that wouldn't he?

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and the relatives would say what they did say wouldn't they?

Concealing for the fact that the relatives owed Ralph Bambers estate hundreds of thousands of pounds, is nothing really is it? They kept these details secret from Essex police, and from the court when they all testified - the truth did not come out until COLP saw Peter Eaton and interviewed him, in 1991...

I don't believe anything at all the relatives said or say, they had their own script to work towards, and they pulled it off big time...

Jeremy's account is much more believable than the relatives version of events, regarding why he was getting valuable items valued, and the odd occasion he went out for a meal, and a holiday...

If anyone intended to pull off a financial scam in this case, it was the relatives...

Getting him convicted was the biggest scam of all, because it guaranteed them everything in both of the Bamber parents estates...

[mike tesko]

Imagine that, it must have been akin to a game show for the relatives, playing their parts with a view to getting their hands on the Bambers estate, if they helped to get Jeremy convicted for the murders...

[clifford]

the actions you are referring to were described by the relatives to the police,. and are not accepted by Jeremy as having occurred in the way the relatives have sought to describe them -

He would say that wouldn't he?

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and the relatives would say what they did say wouldn't they?

Concealing for the fact that the relatives owed Ralph Bambers estate hundreds of thousands of pounds, is nothing really is it? They kept these details secret from Essex police, and from the court when they all testified - the truth did not come out until COLP saw Peter Eaton and interviewed him, in 1991...

I don't believe anything at all the relatives said or say, they had their own script to work towards, and they pulled it off big time...

Jeremy's account is much more believable than the relatives version of events, regarding why he was getting valuable items valued, and the odd occasion he went out for a meal, and a holiday...

If anyone intended to pull off a financial scam in this case, it was the relatives...

Getting him convicted was the biggest scam of all, because it guaranteed them everything in both of the Bamber parents estates...

According to Boutflour he blew the money anyway. Very thrifty.

[Jackiepreece]

The serious money problems the relatives had would surely have had an enormous bearing on the case considering the smoking gun silencer was found and mishandled by the relatives.
if I had been in that position and thought somebody had murdered some of my family I would have as carefully as possible passed it on to the police straightway everyone has known for years how easy it is to contaminate evidence. 

[chochokeira]

the actions you are referring to were described by the relatives to the police,. and are not accepted by Jeremy as having occurred in the way the relatives have sought to describe them -

He would say that wouldn't he?

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and the relatives would say what they did say wouldn't they?

Concealing for the fact that the relatives owed Ralph Bambers estate hundreds of thousands of pounds, is nothing really is it? They kept these details secret from Essex police, and from the court when they all testified - the truth did not come out until COLP saw Peter Eaton and interviewed him, in 1991...

I don't believe anything at all the relatives said or say, they had their own script to work towards, and they pulled it off big time...

Jeremy's account is much more believable than the relatives version of events, regarding why he was getting valuable items valued, and the odd occasion he went out for a meal, and a holiday...

If anyone intended to pull off a financial scam in this case, it was the relatives...

Getting him convicted was the biggest scam of all, because it guaranteed them everything in both of the Bamber parents estates...

If this money which was owed to Nevill Bamber was undeclared as part of the estate, was there an unpaid Inheritance Tax issue?

It may be that this tax was paid at a later date, once the debts were acknowledged, but if not, then is there still an outstanding Inheritance Tax liability?

Inheritance Tax was introduced during March 1986, so the estate might have escaped liability for these sums during 1985, however, on the assumption that the estate passed to the extended family once Bamber was found guilty, then would 1986 not have become the period of accountability, not 1985 when the family died?

Apologies if anyone has already mentioned this.

[grahameb]

i read that the kids had nightmares too, i also read somewhere that db claimed sheilas ghost haunted them to tell them to find out the truth!! hmm not sure what to make of that.

Hmm, perhaps I'd better go there. Perhaps she might tell me something different? If that was so why didn't she tell him what actually happened?

[Alias]

i read that the kids had nightmares too, i also read somewhere that db claimed sheilas ghost haunted them to tell them to find out the truth!! hmm not sure what to make of that.

Hmm, perhaps I'd better go there. Perhaps she might tell me something different? If that was so why didn't she tell him what actually happened?

I can´t imagine why you would want your children to grow up where five members of your own family was wiped out! I can´t imagine you wanting to live there!
Warped.

[grahameb]

i read that the kids had nightmares too, i also read somewhere that db claimed sheilas ghost haunted them to tell them to find out the truth!! hmm not sure what to make of that.

Hmm, perhaps I'd better go there. Perhaps she might tell me something different? If that was so why didn't she tell him what actually happened?

I can´t imagine why you would want your children to grow up where five members of your own family was wiped out! I can´t imagine you wanting to live there!
Warped.

no I wasn't saying that. I was just wondering what the "ghost of Sheila" would say to me?

[Alias]

i read that the kids had nightmares too, i also read somewhere that db claimed sheilas ghost haunted them to tell them to find out the truth!! hmm not sure what to make of that.

Hmm, perhaps I'd better go there. Perhaps she might tell me something different? If that was so why didn't she tell him what actually happened?

I can´t imagine why you would want your children to grow up where five members of your own family was wiped out! I can´t imagine you wanting to live there!
Warped.

no I wasn't saying that. I was just wondering what the "ghost of Sheila" would say to me?

Grahame, I wasn´t answering your post specifically. Just pondering about people wanting to live there - kids having nightmares, things like that!