Author Topic: The Secret Land deal - relatives did not want anyone to find out about?  (Read 40266 times)

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chochokeira

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I wonder if anyone has a link to Barbara Wilson's full statement? I'd be grateful for a link to this if anyone has one. Thanks.

andrea

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cant help you there keira, sorry, im not very computer savvy  :)


anyway im off to bed, night x

chochokeira

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cant help you there keira, sorry, im not very computer savvy  :)


anyway im off to bed, night x

Night, Andrea!

chelmsey

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Family heirlooms that would go to Jeremy!!!

He wasn't considered family by the Boutflours and Eatons lovey!

Exactly John. Best create some evidence to frame him  for 5 murders then,so he cannot claim any "family" inheritance!  ;)

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Family heirlooms that would go to Jeremy!!!

He wasn't considered family by the Boutflours and Eatons lovey!

Exactly John. Best create some evidence to frame him  for 5 murders then,so he cannot claim any "family" inheritance!  ;)

But the phone call from Neville is what puts him in the frame, IMO. The relatives had nothing to do with that, or did they........

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Family heirlooms that would go to Jeremy!!!

He wasn't considered family by the Boutflours and Eatons lovey!

By law he was - the Bs and Es couldn´t just make their own laws.
It saddens me every time I see this attitude towards adopted children.

chelmsey

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Family heirlooms that would go to Jeremy!!!

He wasn't considered family by the Boutflours and Eatons lovey!

Exactly John. Best create some evidence to frame him  for 5 murders then,so he cannot claim any "family" inheritance!  ;)

But the phone call from Neville is what puts him in the frame, IMO. The relatives had nothing to do with that, or did they........

I agree the alleged phone call to JB is a sticking point,but not altogether impossible that Ralph was forced to make that call. If only the unidentified marks on Ralphs back could be explained? I dont mean to be gory,but I wish that we could take a look at them.

chelmsey

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Regarding the alleged  phone call from Ralph to JB.Could be that it simply was all part of JBs plan to frame Sheila.Or it is possible that Ralph was made to make that call.In that scenario its possible that somebody wanted JB at the farm in order to be killed aswell,or somebody wanted him at the farm to be caught there  by the police and deemed as a suspect.The more I dig deeper into this family,the more I realise that anything - in fact - is possible.

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Lady Chelmsey
The more you read the more you get suspicious of the family have you ever seen the video of David Boutflour coming out of court after JBs conviction saying

We are all losers here

I think he must of been followed by Julie Mugford

Really both losers with what they got out of JB s conviction

Apparently mugford agreed to identify the twins bodies because the relatives couldn't tell one from the other I have no idea if that is true but if it is it shows what a CLOSE family they were

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Regarding the alleged  phone call from Ralph to JB.Could be that it simply was all part of JBs plan to frame Sheila.Or it is possible that Ralph was made to make that call.In that scenario its possible that somebody wanted JB at the farm in order to be killed aswell,or somebody wanted him at the farm to be caught there  by the police and deemed as a suspect.The more I dig deeper into this family,the more I realise that anything - in fact - is possible.

But probably not this scenario.

The killer stumbled upon a loaded gun left by JB, they would have had their own,if nothing to do with JB.
Big risk getting Neville to use the words that he used, in the phone call to Jeremy.

The killer left no signs of break in/out, Jeremy would have had to let the murderer know how to do this.

The circles on the back are a very minor injury, and could well be as a result of a weapon already having been fired. Highly unlikely to be able to force Neville  to do anything if the family are already shot.

The circles could be the result of something completely un-connected, they're certainly not torture inflicted, as they just aren't going to give pain.

chelmsey

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Paulg...........you are quite right.The loaded gun really does seem to be the "loaded gun" in this case.According to people that knew Ralph well,he was meticulous about his firearms being put back where they were supposed to be kept.It has always concerned me that intially JB said he left the gun on the kitchen table,yet years later it has changed to being left on the settle in the scullery.Am I wrong in thinking that Ralphs office is just a few steps from the scullery.I imagine he could have been to his office at least once that evening,surely he would have put the rifle away and unloaded it due to the twins being around.Its all rather odd to say the least.

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Lady Chelmsey
The more you read the more you get suspicious of the family have you ever seen the video of David Boutflour coming out of court after JBs conviction sayingWe are all losers here

I think he must of been followed by Julie Mugford

Really both losers with what they got out of JB s conviction

Apparently mugford agreed to identify the twins bodies because the relatives couldn't tell one from the other I have no idea if that is true but if it is it shows what a CLOSE family they were

I remember his smirk.

John

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Family heirlooms that would go to Jeremy!!!

He wasn't considered family by the Boutflours and Eatons lovey!

By law he was - the Bs and Es couldn´t just make their own laws.
It saddens me every time I see this attitude towards adopted children.

I'm going to share something with everyone here...

I have the exact same scenario in my own family abs, with an adopted child who will inherit a substantial part of the family estates so I can empathise with the relations. This is probably one reason why I was drawn to the case in the first place. As a child growing up I listened to my own parents deride the arrangement over many years, I have watched the whole debacle unfold before me and ultimately polarise the family just like as in the Bamber family.

I agree that adoption is a wonderful thing but only if undertaken for all the right reasons.

I also don't agree that the comment by Nevill about bringing children into this world didn't apply to Jeremy. This is a figure of speech, a well known saying that I have heard many times within my own family. I am quite sure it was aimed at Jeremy.

The punch by Peter Eaton has also been blown out of all proportion. So what if Peter was angry and had a quick temper...he didn't beat Nevill up for Gods sake!  Jackie's comment to the effect that Peter could kill him is just typical Jackie, exaggeration being her forté.
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Lady Chelmsey

Apparently mugford agreed to identify the twins bodies because the relatives couldn't tell one from the other I have no idea if that is true but if it is it shows what a CLOSE family they were

You really should hear yourself Jackie.  Isn't it quite obvious that the family couldn't bring themselves to identify the twins...it does say a lot for Julie however that she was strong enough to do it.

Every time you attempt to deride Julie you simply boost her appeal.


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Family heirlooms that would go to Jeremy!!!

He wasn't considered family by the Boutflours and Eatons lovey!

By law he was - the Bs and Es couldn´t just make their own laws.
It saddens me every time I see this attitude towards adopted children.

I'm going to share something with everyone here...

I have the exact same scenario in my own family abs, with an adopted child who will inherit a substantial part of the family estates so I can empathise with the relations. This is probably one reason why I was drawn to the case in the first place. As a child growing up I listened to my own parents deride the arrangement over many years, I have watched the whole debacle unfold before me and ultimately polarise the family just like as in the Bamber family.

I agree that adoption is a wonderful thing but only if undertaken for all the right reasons.

I also don't agree that the comment by Nevill about bringing children into this world didn't apply to Jeremy. This is a figure of speech, a well known saying that I have heard many times within my own family. I am quite sure it was aimed at Jeremy.

The punch by Peter Eaton has also been blown out of all proportion. So what if Peter was angry and had a quick temper...he didn't beat Nevill up for Gods sake!  Jackie's comment to the effect that Peter could kill him is just typical Jackie, exaggeration being her forté.

I don´t understand that way of thinking. Those adopted children have nowhere else to go, they have been in a family from infancy in most cases.
We have two adopted children in my family. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE thinks of them as anything but belonging to the FAMILY 100%.

So you seriously think that adopted children should have no right to inherit???