Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?

[Steve_uk]

Not sure who is saying he used the bike. HOW he got there no one knows. Nor does it need to be proven HOW he got there for him to be guilty... but for a counter to your posts about him being out of breath... At his age? I have friends that age that do a lot of cycling, 60/70 miles in a day in the summer when they go to France. My aunt in her sixties goes along too. Your post probably wasn't serious and was probably just a snipe at Jane - but on the off chance it was serious a few miles on a bike wouldn't be an issue for someone of that age. Far from it really.

..though I did read somewhere he had a gammy knee, which prevented him from excelling at sport at Gresham's. It may be one explanation for his pretentiousness in other social situations.

[Jan]

Not sure why you would want to get a rise if you don't like back biting? Surely that is encouraging it?

Yes of course I am. Or was it a double bluff?

[Caroline]

Yes of course I am. Or was it a double bluff?

Well, only you know your motives. 

[Jan]

Well, only you know your motives. 

Motives? You make it sound like a crime. Perhaps you are thinking too deeply.

[Jan]

I have just read what Colin said in his book (page 144 - 145) and actually, he said the opposite. He said she had a fiery temper BUT not physically violent. He said Sheila would never be physically violent to anyone and takes the blame for most of what was initially said in the newspapers and a lot of what he said was down to anger and grief.

In his statement he said Sheila was violent against him.

[Caroline]

In his statement he said Sheila was violent against him.

And in his book he explains why he said it and also that it wasn't true.

[lookout]

Compare the letter in which Sheila had sent from Japan,to those which are being investigated at present.
There's a marked difference in the layout of the one to Colin,even though it goes off on a tangent where she states that those around her were " scared of her because of the staring " and she wanted to go home because of " odd " feelings that she had.

Anyone who can fly that distance can't have much wrong with them ! Competition too much ?

[Jane]

Compare the letter in which Sheila had sent from Japan,to those which are being investigated at present.
There's a marked difference in the layout of the one to Colin,even though it goes off on a tangent where she states that those around her were " scared of her because of the staring " and she wanted to go home because of " odd " feelings that she had.

Anyone who can fly that distance can't have much wrong with them ! Competition too much ?

There have to be at least 6 years between those letters being written.

[Jan]

And in his book he explains why he said it and also that it wasn't true.

Remind me? So Colin lied in his statement?

[Caroline]

Remind me? So Colin lied in his statement?

No he didn't lie in his statement, he said it wasn't true that Sheila was violent towards another person and that is exactly what he said in his statement and in his book. In his book he is referring to newspaper reports that suggested Sheila was violent and felt responsible that some of the things he said might have contributed to it.

He has made it CLEAR that she was violent to anyone - she had a temper but usually took it out on inanimate objects. Even though that is made clear, even now, people still use it to suggest she was violent so I can see why he might feel responsible.

[Jan]

She would also be violent towards me and smash up my prize possessions.


That's what he said , the and is relevant , he did not say by smashing up my prize possessions.


I think he just regretted saying it.

[Caroline]

She would also be violent towards me and smash up my prize possessions.


That's what he said , the and is relevant , he did not say by smashing up my prize possessions.


I think he just regretted saying it.

Well that is your interpretation but I would rather believe what HE said, given that he's the one who had the experience.

[lookout]

There have to be at least 6 years between those letters being written.

So ?
Long enough time in fact in which to change !

[lookout]

So ?
Long enough time in fact in which to change !

In fact,in 2013,you'd said yourself that the apology to Jeremy for being horrible was more or less a precursor for what was about to happen.

[Jan]

I had a look around and the quote about Jeremy is about the only thing I can find from the diaries. There is nothing to say whether the defence saw them at all but a mention they they were held under PII at one stage . And I know there is adicrepancy about when or if the family got them back. But it did seem that she wrote personal things in the diaries that would have embarrassed her family so it seems odd that there is nothing relevant in there at all , even if it was to back up medical reports about her state of mind.