Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?

[Jan]

That's who I think did stage manage it.

oh yes . Of course you do .

But as the police said the gun was not in the position shown in the photos I tend to disagree.

hey ho its a free world .

[Jane]

Yes. Massive haemorrhage will delay post mortem hypostasis because so much blood is lost. This does not apply to Sheila or June (Obviously) despite June taking three times as many bullets as Sheila.

But you never fail to find an excuse for things 

The difference you fail to acknowledge is this. EITHER one of the two shots to Sheila would undoubtedly have killed her, a shot to the jugular, the first, causing a massively substantial/substantially massive haemorrhage taking a little longer but ultimately having the same outcome as the second, a shot to the brain, although there is no clear indication of how long there was between shots. Only one of the many body shots sustained by June would have caused her death, none causing her to haemorrhage.

[Jan]

The difference you fail to acknowledge is this. EITHER one of the two shots to Sheila would undoubtedly have killed her, a shot to the jugular, the first, causing a massively substantial/substantially massive haemorrhage taking a little longer but ultimately having the same outcome as the second, a shot to the brain, although there is no clear indication of how long there was between shots. Only one of the many body shots sustained by June would have caused her death, none causing her to haemorrhage.

Are you saying then that the shots to June were not that accurate then - so not the work of an expert shot?

[Jane]

Are you saying then that the shots to June were not that accurate then - so not the work of an expert shot?

I guess I'm saying that the shots to June were meant to look as if someone had inflicted them as opposed to her having committed suicide.

[lookout]

That's who I think did stage manage it.

No,on the contrary,IF JB had done it,or even an outsider,they'd have just chucked the rifle on the floor to make it look as though the women fought between them,and without trace of JB's presence/evidence,EP would have been even more baffled.

[Jane]

No,on the contrary,IF JB had done it,or even an outsider,they'd have just chucked the rifle on the floor to make it look as though the women fought between them,and without trace of JB's presence/evidence,EP would have been even more baffled.

Who, including Jeremy, would dream of thinking up a scenario in which two women fight....................although I understand some men have sexual fantasies along those lines.

[lookout]

Who, including Jeremy, would dream of thinking up a scenario in which two women fight....................although I understand some men have sexual fantasies along those lines.

I don't think I'M talking " sexual fantasies " here------------far from it.

[lookout]

As in a vicious cat-fight between two women. The most horrendous scene you could imagine.
The only " sex " mentioned is that in Essex !

[Jane]

As in a vicious cat-fight between two women. The most horrendous scene you could imagine.
The only " sex " mentioned is that in Essex !

I still can't think WHY Jeremy, let alone an "outsider" would think up a scenario in which two women would fight to the death.

[sami]

David and his 'Hypostasis'. 

Writing long posts, in red ink and posting nice pictures or diagrams will not convince any guilters Sheila was still alive when the raid team entered WHF. However if Bamber were ever released on these grounds and the experts admitted they were wrong after 31 years, that would be food for thought.

Discovering a 'forensic evidence breakthrough' and not saying what it is was more effective. Even Scipio resurfaced on Red for that. The first time he had resurfaced since reading a thread from Wiggy.

[sami]

As in a vicious cat-fight between two women. The most horrendous scene you could imagine.
The only " sex " mentioned is that in Essex !

would the pair catfighting not transfer each others blood on their nighties.women normally scatch i didnt see any on either womans face

[lookout]

would the pair catfighting not transfer each others blood on their nighties.women normally scatch i didnt see any on either womans face

Yes,you're right,June's face was perfectly clean. No fingermarks around her neck and no mark left after the bullet pierced her forehead.

[sami]

Yes,you're right,June's face was perfectly clean.

no your right her face had blood on it but 'no' scratchies

[lookout]

I still can't think WHY Jeremy, let alone an "outsider" would think up a scenario in which two women would fight to the death.

The MAIN scenario is throwing the rifle down and NOT placing it on Sheila's body !!

[Jane]

The MAIN scenario is throwing the rifle down and NOT placing it on Sheila's body !!

The placing of the rifle on Sheila's body is suggestive of her having committed suicide. Throwing the rifle down would be more suggestive of her having been murdered.