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Offline Caroline

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #510 on: September 15, 2016, 10:40:PM »
Yes. Massive haemorrhage will delay post mortem hypostasis because so much blood is lost. This does not apply to Sheila or June (Obviously) despite June taking three times as many bullets as Sheila.

But you never fail to find an excuse for things  ::)

It does apply to Sheila. You can pretend it doesn't though and keep posting your grainy picture as proof  ;D ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #511 on: September 15, 2016, 10:57:PM »
It does apply to Sheila. You can pretend it doesn't though and keep posting your grainy picture as proof  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Your desperation has no limits. The amount of hemmorage has not and cannot drain enough blood from the body to cause a difference. just like with June (Obviously). The lack of hypostasis is corroborated by the uncoagulated blood and the lack of rigour mortis

You now cling on to semantics as a final refuge to justify your absurd reasons for believing Jeremy is guilty. why am I not surprised?  ::)

http://the-difference-between.com/massive/substantial
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #512 on: September 15, 2016, 11:01:PM »
One has to ask the question why Jeremy, as he reflected on his chair at Goldhanger and five lives hung in the balance. Were you reminded of Suzette's children, with whom you used to construct a Lego tractor, but who had now absconded with the only woman you really loved and who never contacted you again, or were your thoughts on the miscarriage she suffered and deprived you of your child?

 Was Jeremy pleased with the flow of proceedings as he stood outside hour after hour, his now restrained emotion waiting for the outlet Julie afforded as the action moved to Goldhanger and he stifled a chuckle behind closed doors, a compliant Julie transfixed by this man's aura of evil? 

Would Angie Greaves have made him any happier installed at Moreshead Mansions, revived and regenerated for a time by the effervescence of the London crowd, or would that relationship too have ended in tatters as Jeremy headed off to a far-flung Tibetan monastery with Roland Pargeter, the only individual on the Farm he could to some degree relate to, a voluntary banishment keeping him content until some other sublunary calamity led inexorably to his own destruction, as Julie's Ariel now fled, yet with Jeremy's Prospero still enslaved?

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #513 on: September 15, 2016, 11:09:PM »
Your desperation has no limits. The amount of hemmorage has not and cannot drain enough blood from the body to cause a difference. just like with June (Obviously). The lack of hypostasis is corroborated by the uncoagulated blood and the lack of rigour mortis

You now cling on to semantics as a final refuge to justify your absurd reasons for believing Jeremy is guilty. why am I not surprised?  ::)

Rubbish - your theory is in tatters and you know it!! You're making silly excuses and YOU are the one arguing about sematics - they are massive and substantial are synonyms but you can argue that they are different if you want to look even more foolish!

Sheila had a substantial heamorrhage which can effect the process of lividity! FACT!

If your theory was presented to the CCRC - they would dismiss it!
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #514 on: September 15, 2016, 11:12:PM »
Yes. Massive haemorrhage will delay post mortem hypostasis because so much blood is lost. This does not apply to Sheila or June (Obviously) despite June taking three times as many bullets as Sheila.

Not so quick David....Please read my post now!

A cadaveric spasm can sometimes occur when a person is instantly killed by violent means (such as by a gunshot to the head or a stab to the heart). It doesn't happen when a person is killed by being burned to death. The key thing is that the person's skeletal muscles have to be working at the moment of death. In the spasm, the person's muscles seize up; the condition can be (and sometimes is) mistaken for rigor mortis.  June had ( obviously ) walked around before she was shot between the eyes. Looks like June could have had a Cadaveric spasm which means it's not rigor mortis hence the time of her death cannot be assumed as being earlier than Sheila's David, Plus of course Sheila has Livor  Mortis
This condition can be useful to crime scene investigators because whatever the person was holding at the moment they were killed will be literally clutched in a death grip; such items can include hanks of hair or rags of clothing from their murderer.
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #515 on: September 15, 2016, 11:22:PM »
Rubbish - your theory is in tatters and you know it!! You're making silly excuses and YOU are the one arguing about sematics - they are massive and substantial are synonyms but you can argue that they are different if you want to look even more foolish!

Sheila had a substantial heamorrhage which can effect the process of lividity! FACT!

If your theory was presented to the CCRC - they would dismiss it!



June has three times as many gunshots wounds, has lost more blood and is elderly. Did that delay the hypostasis for seven hours? NO. Once again your lack of logic prevails

I guess you don't let reality get in the way of your agenda  ;D


Substantial is a synonym of massive.
As adjectives the difference between substantial and massive is that substantial is having to substance; actually existing; real; as, substantial life while massive is of or pertaining to a large mass; weighty, heavy, or bulky.
As nouns the difference between substantial and massive is that substantial is anything having substance; an essential part while massive is (mineralogy) a homogeneous mass of rock, not layered and without an obvious crystal structure.


http://the-difference-between.com/massive/substantial

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #516 on: September 16, 2016, 02:22:AM »
David and his 'Hypostasis'.  :-\

Writing long posts, in red ink and posting nice pictures or diagrams will not convince any guilters Sheila was still alive when the raid team entered WHF. However if Bamber were ever released on these grounds and the experts admitted they were wrong after 31 years, that would be food for thought.

Discovering a 'forensic evidence breakthrough' and not saying what it is was more effective. Even Scipio resurfaced on Red for that. The first time he had resurfaced since reading a thread from Wiggy. 
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #517 on: September 16, 2016, 08:35:AM »
Not so quick David....Please read my post now!

A cadaveric spasm can sometimes occur when a person is instantly killed by violent means (such as by a gunshot to the head or a stab to the heart). It doesn't happen when a person is killed by being burned to death. The key thing is that the person's skeletal muscles have to be working at the moment of death. In the spasm, the person's muscles seize up; the condition can be (and sometimes is) mistaken for rigor mortis.  June had ( obviously ) walked around before she was shot between the eyes. Looks like June could have had a Cadaveric spasm which means it's not rigor mortis hence the time of her death cannot be assumed as being earlier than Sheila's David, Plus of course Sheila has Livor  Mortis
This condition can be useful to crime scene investigators because whatever the person was holding at the moment they were killed will be literally clutched in a death grip; such items can include hanks of hair or rags of clothing from their murderer.




So therefore as I've been saying,that a spasm,and or a jolt from the firing of the rifle would not have caused it to " settle " where it was allegedly found-----------resting quite comfortably on her chest !

In truth,the rifle hadn't been found where pictured.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #518 on: September 16, 2016, 09:50:AM »



So therefore as I've been saying,that a spasm,and or a jolt from the firing of the rifle would not have caused it to " settle " where it was allegedly found-----------resting quite comfortably on her chest !

In truth,the rifle hadn't been found where pictured.
I agree with you Lookout. One thing I'm pretty sure about is that Sheila was moved and stage managed, how much and by whom is an on going debate but I cannot believe Sheila died in that position.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #519 on: September 16, 2016, 11:30:AM »
I agree with you Lookout. One thing I'm pretty sure about is that Sheila was moved and stage managed, how much and by whom is an on going debate but I cannot believe Sheila died in that position.

Of that,I have no doubt.
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #520 on: September 16, 2016, 12:10:PM »
When something is,or appears too good to be true---it usually is,girls.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #521 on: September 16, 2016, 12:16:PM »
When something is,or appears too good to be true---it usually is,girls.

Yep.
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #522 on: September 16, 2016, 12:22:PM »
well at least we have two officers who said that as well. Its about the only thing we agree on .


Which is a shame because a lot of people said JB stage managed it , but I don't think we are looking at the crime scene as it was found whoever is guilty.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #523 on: September 16, 2016, 12:25:PM »


June has three times as many gunshots wounds, has lost more blood and is elderly. Did that delay the hypostasis for seven hours? NO. Once again your lack of logic prevails

I guess you don't let reality get in the way of your agenda  ;D


Substantial is a synonym of massive.
As adjectives the difference between substantial and massive is that substantial is having to substance; actually existing; real; as, substantial life while massive is of or pertaining to a large mass; weighty, heavy, or bulky.
As nouns the difference between substantial and massive is that substantial is anything having substance; an essential part while massive is (mineralogy) a homogeneous mass of rock, not layered and without an obvious crystal structure.


http://the-difference-between.com/massive/substantial

What absolute guff! You're desparately trying to deny what was said in the autopsy just to bolster your argument. Semantics won't help you! There s a vast (massive SUBSTANTIAL) difference to being shot in the leg or arm etc. and being shot in the jugular. Sheila suffering a SUBSTANTIAL haemorrhage meets the criteria for reduced hypostasis - even though, I don't believe that the photographs show that she had reduced hypostasis in comparison with a grainy red tinted photograph of June.
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #524 on: September 16, 2016, 12:27:PM »
well at least we have two officers who said that as well. Its about the only thing we agree on .


Which is a shame because a lot of people said JB stage managed it , but I don't think we are looking at the crime scene as it was found whoever is guilty.

Jan

That's who I think did stage manage it.
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