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Offline lookout

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #495 on: September 15, 2016, 10:07:PM »
Anything that proved time of death would.




The most vital information overlooked.JB would not be in prison if this had been implemented.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #496 on: September 15, 2016, 10:07:PM »
Not only do the reasons for a possibly not apply to Sheila how about you actually read what is posted

Most authorities agree that lividity attains its maximum intensity, on average, at around 12 h postmortem, but there is some variation in descriptions of when it first appears, and when it is well developed, i.e. confluent. Hypostasis begins to form immediately after death, but it may not be visible for some time. Ordinarily its earliest appearance, as dull red patches, is 20-30 min after death, but this may be delayed for up to 2, or rarely 3 h. The patches of livor then deepen, increase in intensity, and become confluent within 14 h postmortem, to reach a maximum extent and intensity within about 6-10 h, but sometimes as early as 3 h or as late as 16 h. Faint lividity may appear shortly before death in individuals with terminal circulatory failure. Conversely, the development of lividity may be delayed in persons with chronic anemia or massive terminal hemorrhage.

Even if post mortem hypostasis was delayed in a "rare" situation of 3 hours. That gives another 3.5 hours for it to develop still. Not to mention that the causes for a delay do not apply to Sheila but they do in June and hers is clearly visible. What Steve has posted is actually shooting him in the foot.

Plus with the 7.5 hours benchmark I am being very generous to the prosecution here. This gives Jeremy very little time to finish engineering the scene then to peddle is arse pronto in the night back home over the fields then to clean himself up and do the final acting rehearsals. A more reasonable time frame would be 8.25 hours.
The quality of the photographs is poor but you can just make out some slight discolouration on Sheila's face which at first glance looks like make-up.

As for the bit highlighted in bold, don't get me going again on the prodigal son who hied by bicycle in the deadliest hours of night to that sequestered Georgian mansion, converted that morning into a charnel house of death..

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #497 on: September 15, 2016, 10:11:PM »
The quality of the photographs is poor but you can just make out some slight discolouration on Sheila's face which at first glance looks like make-up.

As for the bit highlighted in bold, don't get me going again on the prodigal son who hied by bicycle in the deadliest hours of night to that sequestered Georgian mansion, converted that morning into a charnel house of death..

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #498 on: September 15, 2016, 10:14:PM »
substantial and massive have two separate meanings. June received more blood loss form haemorrhage having been shot 6 times. yet it still never prevented it from forming.

substantial: adjective "of considerable importance, size, or worth"

massive: adjective  "exceptionally large"

OMG! Riduculous  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #499 on: September 15, 2016, 10:16:PM »
Steve....is the chap in the photo above laughing at the suggestion of another appeal by Jeremy Bamber's Team.  :)) :))

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #500 on: September 15, 2016, 10:19:PM »

..the Devil incarnate, whose lethal plan could not be prevented by the parents who had adopted him and who only wanted the best for him, yet who through a lethal combination of indulgence and neglect had unsettled him as he struggled to find his place in the social hierarchy of the times..
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #501 on: September 15, 2016, 10:19:PM »
substantial and massive have two separate meanings. June received more blood loss form haemorrhage having been shot 6 times. yet it still never prevented it from forming.

substantial: adjective "of considerable importance, size, or worth"

massive: adjective  "exceptionally large"


 

I'd have said that a few of June's wounds had been caused after death or she'd have been really saturated.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #502 on: September 15, 2016, 10:20:PM »
Steve....is the chap in the photo above laughing at the suggestion of another appeal by Jeremy Bamber's Team.  :)) :))
David breaks the monotony if nothing else.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #503 on: September 15, 2016, 10:21:PM »
OMG! Riduculous  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I know you are  ;D



Is the ignore feature malfunctioning? you seem to be reading my posts  ???
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #504 on: September 15, 2016, 10:27:PM »
..and as Jeremy chased his father down the staircase that August morning in his deadly game, Nevill leaving his bloodied fingermarks on the blue and white chequered worktop  before realizing it was a dead end and he was caught like a wild animal in a trap, Jeremy too an untamed beast as he bashed Nevill with the rifle stock, revenge for all those unproductive years of interminable lectures at Gresham's School.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #505 on: September 15, 2016, 10:30:PM »
Two different things?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #506 on: September 15, 2016, 10:32:PM »
..and as Jeremy chased his father down the staircase that August morning in his deadly game, Nevill leaving his bloodied fingermarks on the blue and white chequered worktop  before realizing it was a dead end and he was caught like a wild animal in a trap, Jeremy too an untamed beast as he bashed Nevill with the rifle stock, revenge for all those unproductive years of interminable lectures at Gresham's School.

Yet you cannot explain how he kills Sheila while he is in police custody. Was David Bain his accomplice hiding in the coal shed?

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #507 on: September 15, 2016, 10:33:PM »
Anything that proved time of death would.

But lividity doesn't prove time of death. Even if the pictures were of decent quality (which the one of June is not), there is June's age to consider, the fact that her legs were covered in blood and the fact that Sheila has suffered a substantial heamorrhage after the first shot.
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #508 on: September 15, 2016, 10:36:PM »
Jeremy had betrayed his mother, a Judas in her midst, her death effectuated in part by the cocktail of cannabis and cocaine now working through his central nervous system upon which he had become dependent and affording him the stimulus he needed to complete his assignment, the destruction of five including two nephews without taint who had done their uncle no harm, who were London boys like him and who lived and died together..

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #509 on: September 15, 2016, 10:38:PM »
Two different things?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yes. Massive haemorrhage will delay post mortem hypostasis because so much blood is lost. This does not apply to Sheila or June (Obviously) despite June taking three times as many bullets as Sheila.

But you never fail to find an excuse for things  ::)