Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?

[Jan]

I'm one of those that believe the above Jan. The trouble with JB's account of things is he thought he was so clever in every respect. It wasn't a sudden decision he made that night, it was a calculated plan that took ages to put together.

On the other hand, Sheila was a schizophrenic who had spent time in hospital ( so had a label attached to her ) so she went crazy that night, although she had never attempted anything like this before even in a psychotic taste. .... during this psychotic state she was rational enough to reload the rifle several times, and also leave no clues to the fact she had committed the murders.  All we have is JB's account of his sister's mind...... poor  Sheila was a sitting duck for JB.

Let's hope we get an answer to that conundrum one day. ....So do I 

Not quite correct in one respect there is a lot of documented references to Sheila's state of mind and no evidence that Jeremy understood her illness enough to use it in a complicated murder plan. Sheila had used violence before on more than one occasion . And to say she had never attempted anything like this before ? Well neither had Jeremy , and for whichever one it was it would have been the first and last time wouldn't it?

[David1819]

It's no good trying to blind me with science David!....   Just looking at the date of the first letter tells me it's 11 years old....and JB didn't get a pardon then!

How can you blind someone with science?

The date is not relevant and like you the Home Office gave no justified reason for rejecting it. They are just leaving the problem to simmer ie living in denial

[sami]

violence against who on more than one occasion

[Adam]

Not quite correct in one respect there is a lot of documented references to Sheila's state of mind and no evidence that Jeremy understood her illness enough to use it in a complicated murder plan. Sheila had used violence before on more than one occasion . And to say she had never attempted anything like this before ? Well neither had Jeremy , and for whichever one it was it would have been the first and last time wouldn't it?

Most inheritance killers have not committed serious crimes before. Thread already created.

Although Bamber had committed a staged crime against his family and there were rumours about crimes abroad and drug smuggling. Actually he smuggled drugs just after the massacre. 

[Jan]

violence against who on more than one occasion

Freddi emani and in Colin's book he talked about physical arguments between them stating he was surprised they had not killed each other. There were reports from the doctors as well that mentioned possible violence against the children , but not confirmed .

[Jan]

Most inheritance killers have not committed serious crimes before. Thread already created.

Although Bamber had committed a staged crime against his family and there were rumours about crimes abroad and drug smuggling. Actually he smuggled drugs just after the massacre.

Most ? So not all then?

And also rumours of crimes abroad should not be enough to convict a person.

[David1819]

Most inheritance killers have not committed serious crimes before. Thread already created.

Although Bamber had committed a staged crime against his family and there were rumours about crimes abroad and drug smuggling. Actually he smuggled drugs just after the massacre.

He never smuggled drugs. The fact you still by this BS is beyond me

[Adam]

He never smuggled drugs. The fact you still by this BS is beyond me

He smuggled cannabis just after the massacre.

Claire Powell's book said he boasted about smuggling heroin. Thread already created.

[David1819]

Adam

How and why does the rifle with no silencer fit perfectly onto the muzzle imprint?

How comes there is a straight line going across underneath the entrance wound, Like Sheila's index finger has pulled the rifle to her left? 

If you believe Jeremy killed Sheila with the silencer can you please put forward an alternative explanation for this bloodstain pattern?

[Adam]

Most ? So not all then?

And also rumours of crimes abroad should not be enough to convict a person.

There is no record of the abroad crimes being mentioned at trial.

The caravan break in and Julies minor cheque book fraud with Susan Battersby two years earlier were brought up at trial.

[Romeo]

Freddi emani and in Colin's book he talked about physical arguments between them stating he was surprised they had not killed each other. There were reports from the doctors as well that mentioned possible violence against the children , but not confirmed .

But she didn't use violence against Freddie.....he just felt that she could on one particular occasion. If he had felt she was a threat why would he still be her friend?

Sheila's doctors also said they wouldn't have thought Sheila would use violence against her twins.

The problem here is that the people who find JB innocent are using all of the symptoms of a schizophrenic and applying them to Sheila on the night of the murders. Yes she had schizophrenia but having spent recent time in hospital before the murders her illness was under control. Her slowness and lack of conversation is proof of this.

[Adam]

Why inheritance killers have little or no criminal history:

They are too scared to get involved in other criminal activities. Believing they will get caught.

They believe they might be disinherited if caught being in other criminal activities.

Their parents are rich and are not involved with criminals. So the inheritance killer has not got any criminal contacts to get involved with. 

The inheritance killer already had a decent lifestyle courtesy of their parents.

The inheritance killer is not clever enough to get involved in criminal activities. 

The inheritance killer is already free and able to commit the inheritance killing, meaning they have no or a minimal criminal past.

The easiest way to achieve wealth is through killing the family, so no reason to commit other crimes.

The inheritance killer  has daily and unrestricted access to their targets. Unlike in other potential crimes.

The inheritance killer knows their targets strong and weak points. Unlike in other potential crimes.

The inheritance killer  has tried going straight but are now desperate for the money, due to failed businesses - Steve Benson.

The inheritance killer is greedy and does not want to wait for inheritance. But does not want to commit other crimes due to a far greater risk and lesser financial reward.

The inheritance killer feels they are being treated unfairly by the family. Which motivates them to commit a major crime against them.

The inheritance killer does not believe they will be a suspect as it's their family and they have never been violent towards them.   

The inheritance have a minimal or no criminal record, so will not be a suspect of a major crime.

It is a one off crime for them. The financial benefit being great.

The inheritance killer has strong personal feelings of hatred or resentment towards their targets.  But no strong feelings to commit other crimes against other people. 

The inheritance killer  believes they are going to be disinherited. So can motivate themselves to commit one crime for one big reward. 

Other crimes will have smaller rewards. An inheritance killing often has a huge reward. So despite no or a minor criminal history, they can motivate themselves to carry out an inheritance killing.

The inheritance killer has already successfully committed minor crimes against their targets. Meaning they had no need to commit major crimes prior to their inheritance killing. 

The inheritance killer is younger and stronger than their targets. Other crimes may result in injuries to themselves.

They believe their targets may not fight back. Unlike in other crimes.

An inheritance killing can be done when the killer is ready. There are no time deadlines.

[Romeo]

How can you blind someone with science?

The date is not relevant and like you the Home Office gave no justified reason for rejecting it. They are just leaving the problem to simmer ie living in denial

if you blind someone with science, you confuse them by using technical language that they are not likely to understand   But as I said....you can't do that to me. 

Regarding your other comment....Perhaps the home office have more information on the crime than you do!

I cannot understand why you feel the Police and all Authorities had a grudge against JB ...... they took his word for what had happened at the time, then Julie Mugford gave her statement....but she was apparently told what to say by the Police....why? their job was to solve the case regardless of who committed the murders. Yes, mistakes were made by the Police, but they were in JB's favour!

[Romeo]

Not quite correct in one respect there is a lot of documented references to Sheila's state of mind and no evidence that Jeremy understood her illness enough to use it in a complicated murder plan. Sheila had used violence before on more than one occasion . And to say she had never attempted anything like this before ? Well neither had Jeremy , and for whichever one it was it would have been the first and last time wouldn't it?

JB knew enough of Sheila's illness to tell the Police, when he rang them about his father contacting him, that she was a schizophrenic and had gone mad before......when was that then?... Yes, Sheila had delusions regarding god...but she hadn't ever attacked anyone only slapped her husband's face.

Regarding JB He also had lost his temper with Julie Mugford and stolen money from his family, the latter affecting his family.

No, this does not mean either of the siblings were capable of murder but the outward ramifications look worse for JB.

[Steve_uk]

Not quite correct in one respect there is a lot of documented references to Sheila's state of mind and no evidence that Jeremy understood her illness enough to use it in a complicated murder plan. Sheila had used violence before on more than one occasion . And to say she had never attempted anything like this before ? Well neither had Jeremy , and for whichever one it was it would have been the first and last time wouldn't it?

This seems like a fair point and would explain why Jeremy's first plan of preference was to burn the Farm down. After Sheila's second bout of illness in March 1985 the time was ripe and when she spent weeks recuperating he must have seen the pitiful state she was in at close hand. Of course in order for him not to share the inheritance the twins had to die as well.

Sorry but this is the nature of the man we are dealing with.