Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?

[Romeo]

The second call does not have to have taken place for Jeremy to be innocent?

Oh but the supposed phone call to the police was important in the fact that JB insisted both he and his father had rung the police on the night of the murders..... One phone call to the Police would have been enough, but no..JB had to try and prove he was at home so said his father had rung him as well.

[Romeo]

Your answer contradicts the question.

You feel you cannot handle the situation thus don't believe you can stop it so you call for help.

What do I think Neville was doing? I have explained that here
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7861.msg372798.html#msg372798

David, what you can't or don't want to see is the fact havoc was happening in that house that night, and according to JB...Sheila was going mad with a gun.... it is therefore stupid to say whilst all this was going on Neville rang JB! Why would Neville ring JB if he had rung the police? Why would Neville ring the Police if he'd rung JB..... it's common sense that there just wasn't time!

[David1819]

David, what you can't or don't want to see is the fact havoc was happening in that house that night, and according to JB...Sheila was going mad with a gun.... it is therefore stupid to say whilst all this was going on Neville rang JB! Why would Neville ring JB if he had rung the police? Why would Neville ring the Police if he'd rung JB..... it's common sense that there just wasn't time!

On the contrary. Sheila has to go to the office cupboard reload the rifle plus there are other targets in the house. For all you know she could have locked herself in a room with the gun and was threatning to kill herself after dispatching the twins. This prompts Neville to call for assistance. Also its not necessary for Neville to call the police BTW. You fail to consider the variables

What you cant or don't want to see is this

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7866.msg374113.html#msg374113

[sami]

Neville phones Jeremy.....Neville phones Police......Neville done a lot of phoning on the night of the murders, and all whilst havoc was occurring in the house!  I don't think so!

[Romeo]

Your scenario of Sheila's movements on the night just doesn't hold water!

On the contrary. Sheila has to go to the office cupboard reload the rifle plus there are other targets in the house. For all you know she could have locked herself in a room with the gun and was threatning to kill herself after dispatching the twins. This prompts Neville to call for assistance. Also its not necessary for Neville to call the police BTW. You fail to consider the variables

What you cant or don't want to see is this


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7866.msg374113.html#msg374113

David, your scenario of Sheila's movements on the night just doesn't hold water with me! You assume the phone was in the position it was found earlier in the evening, there were 12 rifle cartridges/bullets found in the main bedroom, and one on the landing. indicating Nevelle was shot 4 times in the bedroom. The box of rifle cartridges were on the kitchen unit, not in the cupboard.

Then of course we have the liver mortis....your baby... Sorry David, but it looks like your reading the wrong info there.

[sami]

On the contrary. Sheila has to go to the office cupboard reload the rifle plus there are other targets in the house. For all you know she could have locked herself in a room with the gun and was threatning to kill herself after dispatching the twins. This prompts Neville to call for assistance. Also its not necessary for Neville to call the police BTW. You fail to consider the variables

What you cant or don't want to see is this

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7866.msg374113.html#msg374113

sheila does not need to go to any cupboard because jb very kindly loaded the rifle for her and also left the rest of the contents of that ammo box on the side board .when  asked about the ammo.he said the box was full or nearly full .than they pointed out to him there was too many bullets left on the side for sheila to have fired 25 shots useing the ammo from that box.interestingly he said he couldnt explain that and i dont know how that came about.he did not say sheila could have used some bullets from the office cupboard

[Jan]

Oh but the supposed phone call to the police was important in the fact that JB insisted both he and his father had rung the police on the night of the murders..... One phone call to the Police would have been enough, but no..JB had to try and prove he was at home so said his father had rung him as well.

Correct me if I am wrong but he only said that when the discrepancy in the logs came to light and I guess he thought it made sense because he had tried to call his father back and the line was engaged? Because he would not know what had happened between his father calling him and him arriving at whf would he?

So in his ordinal statements he never said his father had definitely called the police did he? That was never claimed?

[Jan]

David, what you can't or don't want to see is the fact havoc was happening in that house that night, and according to JB...Sheila was going mad with a gun.... it is therefore stupid to say whilst all this was going on Neville rang JB! Why would Neville ring JB if he had rung the police? Why would Neville ring the Police if he'd rung JB..... it's common sense that there just wasn't time!

How do you those words did not mean she was threatening to kill herself? There was no mention of anyone being shot ?

[Jan]

sheila does not need to go to any cupboard because jb very kindly loaded the rifle for her and also left the rest of the contents of that ammo box on the side board .when  asked about the ammo.he said the box was full or nearly full .than they pointed out to him there was too many bullets left on the side for sheila to have fired 25 shots useing the ammo from that box.interestingly he said he couldnt explain that and i dont know how that came about.he did not say sheila could have used some bullets from the office cupboard

So in this meticulously planned crime , in which he planned every call to the minute , his alibis , the destruction of all forensic evidence connecting him to the crime ( there was none) he missed the ammunition and the silencer which are the two most important things . really ?

[Caroline]

So in this meticulously planned crime , in which he planned every call to the minute , his alibis , the destruction of all forensic evidence connecting him to the crime ( there was none) he missed the ammunition and the silencer which are the two most important things . really ?

He didn't pan every call to the minute, he let slip that he called Julie before the police and has given different times for when he called the police.

[Jan]

He didn't pan every call to the minute, he let slip that he called Julie before the police and has given different times for when he called the police.

Or in the panic and shock of everything he just forgot.

[David1819]

sheila does not need to go to any cupboard because jb very kindly loaded the rifle for her and also left the rest of the contents of that ammo box on the side board .when  asked about the ammo.he said the box was full or nearly full .than they pointed out to him there was too many bullets left on the side for sheila to have fired 25 shots useing the ammo from that box.interestingly he said he couldnt explain that and i dont know how that came about.he did not say sheila could have used some bullets from the office cupboard

Yes she does. The untouched ammunition on the table shows she had to go the gun cupboard. Infact its very possible Neville or June put the rifle away, so in that scenario when Sheila goes to get the gun she knows of an alternative source of ammunition. Having grown up on the property she would be all to familiar. 

he did not say sheila could have used some bullets from the office cupboard because he didn't have clue what happened or how events unfolded.

[lookout]

Perhaps we could weigh up Sheila's comment against Jeremy's, when he tells RWB that he could easily kill his parents.

Except that nobody was present to verify whether that was said or not. Just ask yourself who are people going to believe-------------exactly !

[Jan]

Yes she does. The untouched ammunition on the table shows she had to go the gun cupboard. Infact its very possible Neville or June put the rifle away, so in that scenario when Sheila goes to get the gun she knows of an alternative source of ammunition. Having grown up on the property she would be all to familiar. 

he did not say sheila could have used some bullets from the office cupboard because he didn't have clue what happened or how events unfolded.

It's about one of the only consistent statements that more than one person said the guns would always be put away at night ( although not locked away) so the whole scenario of Jeremy leaving the rifle out on purpose was a nonsense . And I understand there was ammunition in the cupboard with the gun .
 

[sami]

Yes she does. The untouched ammunition on the table shows she had to go the gun cupboard. Infact its very possible Neville or June put the rifle away, so in that scenario when Sheila goes to get the gun she knows of an alternative source of ammunition. Having grown up on the property she would be all to familiar. 

he did not say sheila could have used some bullets from the office cupboard because he didn't have clue what happened or how events unfolded.

did the police find any loose bullets or empty cartridge boxes realating to the murder weapon apart from the bullets on the side board.i also disagree that sheila would know where to find alternative source of ammo let alone how to load a mag and prime the weapon