Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?

[Jan]

David do you really think:

1) Nevill telephoned his son in the middle of the night to say there was an emergency at the Farm which necessitated his son's diplomatic skills?

2) The Police on duty at Chelmsford deliberately concealed a telephone call from Nevill, which would confirm their boss's initial supposition that Sheila was the killer?

3) Jeremy loved his parents, was blissfully happy with his status at the Farm and had the patience to wait another twenty years for his inheritance, half of which would be shared with a sister he despised?

4) Sheila in the state she was in writing the letters(thanks to Adam for this point) was truly capable of loading a magazine, firing a gun, reloading a magazine, not missing with any of the bullets and all the other paraphernalia involving firearms which I cannot begin to think about?

5) That the gasman on the Monday who witnessed a typical placid domestic scene and Sheila after skipping along with her sons on the Farm perimeter on the Tuesday really had malice in her heart towards them?

6) That Julie, James Richards, Susan Battersby and Liz Rimington ,all of whose anecdotes condemn Jeremy from the words of his own mouth all lied because they had some secret vendetta against this nondescript Walter Mittty-like character who thought then and still thinks to this day that he did everyone a favour by destroying five lives in three generations of one family?

looking at a film of the house and knowing that the family also had other properties I would think that risking life in jail against waiting for his share of what was a large inheritance does not make any sense .

I know what you will say to that though.

[lookout]

I never could see Jeremy in that light. Even the grannie's days were numbered at the time and though a share of her estate would have gone to June,Jeremy would have known that for the rest of his life he'd have been comfortable anyway. He wasn't the type to have risked his future at that stage.In all honesty the thought of " seeing off " his whole family would not have entered his head.
This case wasn't about money,properties or assets !

Nobody will like this either !

[David1819]

looking at a film of the house and knowing that the family also had other properties I would think that risking life in jail against waiting for his share of what was a large inheritance does not make any sense .

I know what you will say to that though.

Steve applies a nonsensical inequitable prejudice against Jeremy

For example Jeremy saying "it's important to have money whilst you're young" is considered to be watertight and damning evidence.

However when it comes to Sheila saying "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed" there is some excuse or another to render it irrelevant.

Had the term "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed" been applied to Jeremy instead of Sheila. I have no doubt that it would form part of Steve's principal reasons to justify his position on guilt.

[lookout]

Exactly,David.

[sami]

Is it really impossible for us to have understanding  for where each "side " is coming from ?

Is it not obvious that people are posting what they believe? Its so obvious that no one would defend a child killer unless they genuinely felt there had been a miscarriage of justice and on the opposite side posters of course feel that defending him is wrong because they think he is guilty.

Also Our impressions of his personality are just that -I have been speaking to someone who knew him who said that he was a polite well mannered young man and not a womaniser at all .

So try and stick to the facts - of which there are few and far between and have a bit of mutual respect.

justice has also spoken to people who know jb ,a priest and a pyschiatrist who both claim he is guilty and very cunning.you can ask him when he returns from holiday

[sami]

I never could see Jeremy in that light. Even the grannie's days were numbered at the time and though a share of her estate would have gone to June,Jeremy would have known that for the rest of his life he'd have been comfortable anyway. He wasn't the type to have risked his future at that stage.In all honesty the thought of " seeing off " his whole family would not have entered his head.
This case wasn't about money,properties or assets !

Nobody will like this either !

yes it was all about a mentaly ill woman who killed members of her family

[Jane]

Steve applies a nonsensical inequitable prejudice against Jeremy

For example Jeremy saying "it's important to have money whilst you're young" is considered to be watertight and damning evidence.

However when it comes to Sheila saying "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed" there is some excuse or another to render it irrelevant.

Had the term "All People Are Bad And Should Be Killed" been applied to Jeremy instead of Sheila. I have no doubt that it would form part of Steve's principal reasons to justify his position on guilt.

Perhaps we could weigh up Sheila's comment against Jeremy's, when he tells RWB that he could easily kill his parents.

[Jan]

Perhaps we could weigh up Sheila's comment against Jeremy's, when he tells RWB that he could easily kill his parents.

If Jeremy is innocent   then we can probably assume that this is not true and was said to blacken jeremys character -  it is I believe one persons word against another.

[Jan]

justice has also spoken to people who know jb ,a priest and a pyschiatrist who both claim he is guilty and very cunning.you can ask him when he returns from holiday

I have spoken to justice in the past thank you.

All I was pointing out is there are varying opinions about Jeremy . As confirmed by several witnesses in several books as well.

[Caroline]

If Jeremy is innocent   then we can probably assume that this is not true and was said to blacken jeremys character -  it is I believe one persons word against another.

BW and RWB aren't generally considered to be reliable witnesses on this forum so perhaps both comments should be treated with some caution?

[Romeo]

Neville phones Jeremy.....Neville phones Police......Neville done a lot of phoning on the night of the murders, and all whilst havoc was occurring in the house!  I don't think so!

[David1819]

Neville phones Jeremy.....Neville phones Police......Neville done a lot of phoning on the night of the murders, and all whilst havoc was occurring in the house!  I don't think so!

If life threatening havoc was occurring in your house and you felt you could not handle the situation what would you do Romeo?

If I was in a house full of strangers id run out the house and over hills to safety, But if it was my family id have to call for help, running from the scene is not an option in that situation 

[Jan]

Neville phones Jeremy.....Neville phones Police......Neville done a lot of phoning on the night of the murders, and all whilst havoc was occurring in the house!  I don't think so!

The second call does not have to have taken place for Jeremy to be innocent?

[Romeo]

If life threatening havoc was occurring in your house and you felt you could not handle the situation what would you do Romeo?

If I was in a house full of strangers id run out the house and over hills to safety, But if it was my family id have to call for help, running from the scene is not an option in that situation

If life threatening havoc was occurrng in my house I certainly wouldn't stand phoning anyone! Anyone with an iota of sense would  do what they could and try to stop it!

What do you think was happening whilst Neville was on the phone? Was the killer just standing waiting until Neville had finished both phone calls.... of course not! In this type of situation split minute decisions are made.... there is no time to make phone calls...JB is lying.

[David1819]

If life threatening havoc was occurrng in my house I certainly wouldn't stand phoning anyone! Anyone with an iota of sense would  do what they could and try to stop it!

What do you think was happening whilst Neville was on the phone? Was the killer just standing waiting until Neville had finished both phone calls.... of course not! In this type of situation split minute decisions are made.... there is no time to make phone calls...JB is lying.

Your answer contradicts the question.

You feel you cannot handle the situation thus don't believe you can stop it so you call for help.

What do I think Neville was doing? I have explained that here
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7861.msg372798.html#msg372798