Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?

[lookout]

Are we panicking ? Tut tut.

[lookout]

Hi Mendoza, no we don't that it is Sheila's handwriting. The CT have a copy of her handwriting but chose not to post a copy of it on the OS.

I'm sure they'll tell you if you ask nicely.

[Caroline]

Are we panicking ? Tut tut.

Not in the slightest

[Roch]

Maybe we should all just have an open mind regarding the alleged notes and their provenance etc.  On the one hand, it doesn't seem credible that the notes would be forged, either contemporary with events or thirty years after the fact.  If the notes were forged contemporary with events, then they could have been used as prosecution evidence against Jeremy Bamber (didn't the police have Sheila's diaries etc?).  The fact that the notes weren't laid at Bamber's door in 1985 - suggests there was no concern at the time - with regard to the notes having been forged.  It would be a bit crazy for the defence to forge rambling notes that contain a suicidal ideation  - and then expend valuable funds (not easily gained) on having such notes examined by expert/s?

Having said that - we do not know in advance what said expert/s will suggest or conclude.  It will present a puzzle if the notes cannot be linked with Sheila - as who else would have been writing such notes?

[David1819]

Not in the slightest

 

[lookout]

Maybe we should all just have an open mind regarding the alleged notes and their provenance etc.  On the one hand, it doesn't seem credible that the notes would be forged, either contemporary with events or thirty years after the fact.  If the notes were forged contemporary with events, then they could have been used as prosecution evidence against Jeremy Bamber (didn't the police have Sheila's diaries etc?).  The fact that the notes weren't laid at Bamber's door in 1985 - suggests there was no concern at the time - with regard to the notes having been forged.  It would be a bit crazy for the defence to forge rambling notes that contain a suicidal ideation  - and then expend valuable funds (not easily gained) on having such notes examined by expert/s?

Having said that - we do not know in advance what said expert/s will suggest or conclude.  It will present a puzzle if the notes cannot be linked with Sheila - as who else would have been writing such notes?

Regarding your last paragraph,let's hope that the forensic experts compare handwritten notes/letters from other members of the family besides Sheila.
I must add that when one ? of the letters was shown to Jeremy a few years ago,he didn't recognise it as being Sheila's handwriting and it appeared he was quite adamant that it wasn't. Jan will bear me out on that.

[lookout]

Surely,if JB was guilty,he'd have leapt at the idea that it was Sheila's writing ?

[Roch]

Surely,if JB was guilty,he'd have leapt at the idea that it was Sheila's writing ?

I would have thought so... yes.

[lookout]

What I do find odd is that there were two letters written by two women referring to their " deaths ". The other being the one which June had written,to be read after her death,which,presumably,Jeremy has in his possession. It's on the forum somewhere and begins : " My Darlings ".
I've often wondered when that was written and where it was " found " ?

[Mendoza]

Hi Mendoza, no we don't that it is Sheila's handwriting. The CT have a copy of her handwriting but chose not to post a copy of it on the OS.

Thank you Jane and Caroline. Even if the note is found to have been written by Sheila, I don't think it could be proved  that it was a suicide note, as it seems to be just vague ramblings really. IMO, it wouldn't get Jeremy's case to the CoA. Anyway, she could have written it at any time, not necessarily on that night, as there's no date on it.

[Roch]

Thank you Jane and Caroline. Even if the note is found to have been written by Sheila, I don't think it could be proved  that it was a suicide note, as it seems to be just vague ramblings really. IMO, it wouldn't get Jeremy's case to the CoA. Anyway, she could have written it at any time, not necessarily on that night, as there's no date on it.

The notes may precede the killings in close proximity.  Sheila references her birth mother Christine - whom she had only met a couple of weeks earlier.  The stated intent that Sheila and her 'babies' would 'go to their rest' indicates that the twins were with her - and she envisages this event will take place quite soon. 

[lookout]

Thank you Jane and Caroline. Even if the note is found to have been written by Sheila, I don't think it could be proved  that it was a suicide note, as it seems to be just vague ramblings really. IMO, it wouldn't get Jeremy's case to the CoA. Anyway, she could have written it at any time, not necessarily on that night, as there's no date on it.

Would you have thought that these " vague ramblings " were normal then ?

[Caroline]

Surely,if JB was guilty,he'd have leapt at the idea that it was Sheila's writing ?

No one would just take his word for it.

[lookout]

No one would just take his word for it.

So it obviously is her writing then if that's what you think ?

[Caroline]

So it obviously is her writing then if that's what you think ?

Eh? That isn't the note that was given a reference it was this one. Clearly the one mentioned on thr CT website isn't illegible' as they list what it say's. This the illegible note (we've been here before) - http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,197.msg520.html#msg520