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Offline Caroline

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #720 on: December 11, 2016, 01:10:PM »
There was a letter left to Sheila's birth mother,Christine, before the deaths which never came to light and was removed along with the other letters. An action was raised to obtain the said letter during the investigation, but no further action was ever taken.

Another letter?  :o
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #721 on: December 11, 2016, 01:46:PM »
Another letter?  :o




Yes,but it's being kept quiet,obviously until all letters have been " tested ",then we'll hear next year.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #722 on: December 11, 2016, 06:08:PM »
Sheila had described herself as having a " Madonna Complex ". I wonder why she saw herself as such ?

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #723 on: December 11, 2016, 06:17:PM »
Sheila had described herself as having a " Madonna Complex ". I wonder why she saw herself as such ?
Well even Doctor Ferguson was stumped on that one. Did she see herself as deep down virtuous rather than the Devil's Child her mother had painted her?

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #724 on: December 11, 2016, 06:42:PM »
Well even Doctor Ferguson was stumped on that one. Did she see herself as deep down virtuous rather than the Devil's Child her mother had painted her?




Maybe Dr.Ferguson wasn't up to speed with the variations which mental health could show itself. I wouldn't have gone as far as diagnosing schizophrenia myself,rather a personality disorder which the Madonna Complex covers a multitude of different problems. Narcissism  for starters,where Sheila,when modelling,had to fit the part and constantly asked for reassurance. Short-term anorexia,which could have happened after the twins were born when she worried that she'd put on too much weight. Prior to that,her breast augmentation which proved that she wasn't happy with the way she'd looked.( I wonder who paid for that ? ) A high-maintenance girl which led her to her mental health problems.
To have openly admitted of having such a complex tells me that she knew what she was at,whereas having deeper problems such as schizophrenia a patient can't tell you what's wrong and most of the time they're in denial anyway.
Virtuous she wasn't,with her drug dabbling,etc. June would have had that quality which she was trying to project onto Sheila,but Sheila rebelled and went in opposite directions,but at the same time fighting with herself because of the control that her mother had over her.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #725 on: December 11, 2016, 07:26:PM »



Maybe Dr.Ferguson wasn't up to speed with the variations which mental health could show itself. I wouldn't have gone as far as diagnosing schizophrenia myself,rather a personality disorder which the Madonna Complex covers a multitude of different problems. Narcissism  for starters,where Sheila,when modelling,had to fit the part and constantly asked for reassurance. Short-term anorexia,which could have happened after the twins were born when she worried that she'd put on too much weight. Prior to that,her breast augmentation which proved that she wasn't happy with the way she'd looked.( I wonder who paid for that ? ) A high-maintenance girl which led her to her mental health problems.
To have openly admitted of having such a complex tells me that she knew what she was at,whereas having deeper problems such as schizophrenia a patient can't tell you what's wrong and most of the time they're in denial anyway.
Virtuous she wasn't,with her drug dabbling,etc. June would have had that quality which she was trying to project onto Sheila,but Sheila rebelled and went in opposite directions,but at the same time fighting with herself because of the control that her mother had over her.
I agree with a lot of this and the chronology-I think Sheila first felt she was going round the bend during the Japan modelling assignment and asked Colin to book her an appointment with a psychiatrist on her return. But I do believe schizophrenia did manifest itself and I don't know how it does develop, whether over time or suddenly you find yourself seeing a religious vision(which disappears with medication). I can't form any other diagnosis when you think you're Joan of Arc and you're banging yourself against the wall other than for it not to be schizophrenia, which in those days was controlled by drugs which stopped the hallucinations but which brought other unpleasant side-effects in their wake.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #726 on: December 11, 2016, 07:42:PM »
I agree with a lot of this and the chronology-I think Sheila first felt she was going round the bend during the Japan modelling assignment and asked Colin to book her an appointment with a psychiatrist on her return. But I do believe schizophrenia did manifest itself and I don't know how it does develop, whether over time or suddenly you find yourself seeing a religious vision(which disappears with medication). I can't form any other diagnosis when you think you're Joan of Arc and you're banging yourself against the wall other than for it not to be schizophrenia, which in those days was controlled by drugs which stopped the hallucinations but which brought other unpleasant side-effects in their wake.

I believe that there's a clue here to Sheila having previously seen a psychiatrist. It simply isn't possible for one to decide, of one's own volition, to see a specific consultant without first having seen a GP. However, once the consultant has been seen, a call to their secretary is usually all that is necessary.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #727 on: December 12, 2016, 01:09:AM »
I believe that there's a clue here to Sheila having previously seen a psychiatrist. It simply isn't possible for one to decide, of one's own volition, to see a specific consultant without first having seen a GP. However, once the consultant has been seen, a call to their secretary is usually all that is necessary.
I agree Jane, Sheila must have seen a psychiatrist before this event otherwise she would have had to have seen her GP initially on her return from Japan.
I believe schizophrenia develops over time but the symptoms can be masked.. Like many diseases it tends to begin to show symptoms in teenage years after puberty and would be exacerbated in a young woman by pregnancy.  An early symptom of P.S. is chaotic behaviour which Sheila seems to have suffered from in her early teenage years, however chaos and similar symptoms can be dismissed as expected 'teenage' behaviour.     
Sadly P.S. is often only recognised and  diagnosed after a suicide attempt.
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #728 on: December 14, 2016, 07:54:PM »
Always supposing,and it's becoming pretty clear that Sheila wrote the letters,are they the ramblings of a sane person or not ?

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #729 on: December 14, 2016, 08:11:PM »
Always supposing,and it's becoming pretty clear that Sheila wrote the letters,are they the ramblings of a sane person or not ?

Clear? Is it?  ???
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #730 on: December 14, 2016, 09:14:PM »
Clear? Is it?  ???




Definite, I should have said, so as not to cause you confusion.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #731 on: December 14, 2016, 09:18:PM »



Definite, I should have said, so as not to cause you confusion.

No, what you should have done is explain why you said that given that there is no evidence that Sheila wrote them in the first place. Also, if it's been 'kept quite' that there was 'yet another' note found at the scene, how come you know about it and if you were told (by someone) and that it should be 'kept quiet', how come you're posting it on the iternet? Seems to me that Sheila didn't have time to kill anyone, she was too busy writing notes!
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #732 on: December 14, 2016, 09:32:PM »
Always supposing,and it's becoming pretty clear that Sheila wrote the letters,are they the ramblings of a sane person or not ?
Do we know if the letters are definitely in Sheila's handwriting? Is there a specimen of her writing, and if so, where is it?

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #733 on: December 14, 2016, 09:39:PM »
Do we know if the letters are definitely in Sheila's handwriting? Is there a specimen of her writing, and if so, where is it?

I don't believe we do. I seem to think that at one time there was talk of a medium being involved? Whilst it may be possible to say whether the writing is male or female, there being no genetic familial link, I don't see how the writing can be said to be Sheila's..................albeit, it's genuinely SOMEONE'S writing.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #734 on: December 14, 2016, 09:40:PM »
Do we know if the letters are definitely in Sheila's handwriting? Is there a specimen of her writing, and if so, where is it?

Hi Mendoza, no we don't that it is Sheila's handwriting. The CT have a copy of her handwriting but chose not to post a copy of it on the OS.
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