neville;s blood trail

[Caroline]

It was not 26 minutes later, Mugford is a liar
Nope, because the is another set of stairs at the other end of the house leading down to the office were the gun cupboard is.


The silencer was in gun cupboard all night, it was never used. The fight in the kitchen never happed the mess in the kitchen was caused by the police firearms team. see below

Jeremy said that he received a call at 03:10 and also states he called the police at 03:36 (now). Nothing to do with Mugford.

There is another set of stairs leading to the office, however, there is a door before the stairs and it was locked!

Raid team statements refute they were responsible for the disruption so it depends on which side of the fence you're on as to who you believe.

[lookout]

There still remains to be a lot of unanswered questions,some of which weren't even asked at trial. In my estimation Rivlin didn't exactly do a top job. I think he'd still imagined that he was in his prosecuting position the way he'd performed.

[Caroline]

There still remains to be a lot of unanswered questions,some of which weren't even asked at trial. In my estimation Rivlin didn't exactly do a top job. I think he'd still imagined that he was in his prosecuting position the way he'd performed.

I agree with you Lookout.

[sami]

Blood at the bottom of the staircase doesn't indicate that he went up those stairs,but possibly attempted to to see what had gone on up there.

no your right it doesnt.but iam not saying he did go up .what iam saying is he went down thoses stairs cause we have his blood outside sheila's room so he had to have been shot upstairs and left the blood on the wallpaper as he fled down stairs

[Adam]

david did the entry team go in waving their firearms like baseball bats or was any of them 7ft tall because thats the only way the lampshade above the kitchen table could have got broken

It was Crispy.

[David1819]

It was Crispy.

 Are you happy Now you have been given an explanation of how Shelia done the massacre?

[Adam]

Are you happy Now you have been given an explanation of how Shelia done the massacre?

Very much so. It's all become clear.


The silencer wasn't used.

There was no kitchen fight.

Crispy smashed the ceiling light.

Neville rang Bamber after Sheila started shooting the twins.

Sheila reloaded without being seen.

Sheila made an almost dead Neville ring Chelmsford police later on.

June was awake but too scared to move her head from her pillow.

Neville has very powerful ears.

Neville went downstairs to ring Bamber, upstairs to get shot 4 times from close range and straight back downstairs again.

Sheila stayed alive until the police entered WHF.

[guest7363]

There is a small blood trial going passed the kitchen table to where Neville's body was found.

After Sheila fires several rounds at the twins, Neville realises he cannot handle the situation and proceeds to call for assistance (Jeremy and Police) from the kitchen phone. While Neville is on the phone June is in bed awake, but too afraid of what is happening to get out. Sheila then goes to the gun cupboard to reload the weapon. Once reloaded she goes back upstairs to the main bedroom and fires a volley of bullets at June. The sound of gunshots and June screaming prompts Neville to leave the phone and run towards the stairs. While Neville is rushing up the stairs, Sheila is in the main bedroom close to the hallway and fires the remaining four bullets in the magazine at Neville. Neville then retreats back towards the kitchen badly injured he staggers across the kitchen then collapses were his body was found. Sheila then goes back to the gun cupboard to reload for the final time. Finds Neville injured and slumped near the cooker, then fires the three more shots to Nevilles head. Then she makes her way back upstairs to fire the remaining two shots to Junes head. Then finally turns the gun on herself as the police are about the break the door down.

In your story David you have Sheila like a professional Assasin, reload, volley, reload, stagger, retreat hope they believe your stories on the other channel?

[notsure]

Sherlock and Holly both withdrew from Neville calling Chelmsford police in different circumstances.

Sherlock incorporated it into his scenario, however quickly withdrew it after I highlighted problems. Which was the decent thing to do. Holly didn't include it in her scenario at all.

Bamber brought up the claim in 2010, but has withdrawn it by not including it in the 2012 CCRC submission. But appreciate supporters won't withdraw as it sounds good.

talking of the 2012 appeal do we have a full copy anywhere of the judgement on why refused.

[guest7363]

talking of the 2012 appeal do we have a full copy anywhere of the judgement on why refused.

How I understand it Notsure, Bamber didn't or wouldn't release it?  Could be wrong though

[guest7363]

Have a look at this Notsure, is this it just off to work?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3777.0.html

[guest2181]

Have a look at this Notsure, is this it just off to work?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3777.0.html

That was the Judicial Review findings.

The application to the CCRC initially resulted in an 89 page report outlining reasons for their decision.
http://www.ccrc.gov.uk/ccrc-statement-on-the-provisonal-decision-in-the-case-of-jeremy-bamber/


The defence were obviously given a copy but the CCRC have not released it to the public.

Basically it isn't available.

[lookout]

I wonder at so many hidden documents----makes it all the more suspicious to my mind.

[guest154]

I wonder at so many hidden documents----makes it all the more suspicious to my mind.

It's not hidden. The defence haven't released it. They are able to. NGB supported its release. The defence chose not to, you'll have to ask Bamber why he didn't want it releasing.

[notsure]

I wonder at so many hidden documents----makes it all the more suspicious to my mind.

thanks all, i did try and get it but couldnt so it does seem rather odd.

oh well another mystery