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Offline Adam

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Whether a guilter or supporter, everyone will be aware that outrageous claims have been made against EP which have no possibility of being true.

Perhaps the most famous one being before the police met Bamber they decided not to tell him Neville had phoned Chelmsford police. And continued to not tell anyone for the next month even though Taff Jones believed Bamber was innocent.

However there have been at least 39 accusations against EP. By forum members, Bamber and the OS. The two most  recent being that the police didn't consider Bamber could have entered WHF through Neville and June's upstairs bedroom window, or take into account that Bamber didn't 'lobb Julie overboard'.

Anyway, it would be interesting to see what the 5 most outrageous accusations are. I posted mine earlier today and will transfer onto here. However I couldn't argue if someone else had 5 completely different accusations.

I look forward to some good debate.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2016, 08:44:PM by Adam »
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Here are the 39 again. But feel free to add suggestions:


They didn't enter WHF straight away when they should have.

They didn't tell Bamber outside WHF or on the phone that Neville had called Chelmsford police.

They didn't check for signs of life in Sheila as she lay in the kitchen.

They allowed Sheila to run upstairs.

They shot Sheila upstairs and have refused to admit this.

They did not tell Bamber or anyone else Sheila had been the only one alive inside WHF.

They put Sheila from the bed to the floor.

They pulled Sheila's legs.

They put Sheila's blood onto the carpet.

They moved the bible onto Sheila's blood.

They let the crime scene photographer take pictures of the murder weapon by the window, before putting it on top of Sheila.

They put a rifle across Sheila.

They took pictures of themselves with Sheila in sexual positions.

They put a banner at the crime scene and took photos of this.

They looked for incriminating evidence at WHF, but did not find any.

They told the media it was murder/suicide but still failed to tell Bamber or anyone else, that Neville had called the police.

They destroyed evidence such as carpets which would have assisted Bamber.

They refused to entertain the relatives concerns at first.

They eventually succumbed to the relatives pressure although knew Bamber was innocent.

They accepted the silencer the relatives gave them.

They handed in a second silencer to the lab team. After the first silencer did not incriminate Bamber.

Or fabricated the first silencer with Sheila's blood. 

They encouraged the relatives to create false WS's and lie under oath.

They persuaded people like James Richards and BW to lie in court.

They did not approach their star witness, Julie for a month. She eventually approached them.

They got Julie to create a false WS and lie under oath.

They included MM in Julie's false WS.

They did not get Julie to get a covert confession from Bamber after they had spilt up.

They got forensic experts to give false evidence on other issues.

They destroyed documents and evidence years after the crime to prevent a successful appeal.

They are still refusing to hand over evidence to Bamber which would free him.

They did not consider the possibilty that Bamber could have entered WHF through Neville & June's upstairs bedroom window.

They did not consider the evidence that Bamber could have 'lobbed Julie overboard', but didn't.

All the police involved lied in WS's and when testifying.

Although trying to frame Bamber they did not destroy the photo of the rifle by the window.

Although trying to frame Bamber, they left a conversation log on file stating two adults were in the kitchen.

Although trying to frame Bamber, they left a phone log which apparently shows Neville phoned Chelmsford police.

They have all refused to retract evidence and submitted WS's given. Even though most involved have retired.

They did not do any of the above for money. But wanted to frame an innocent man or a man they thought might be guilty. Who had lost his family
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I posted this earlier today:


Mine are -

The police didn't tell Bamber on the night or afterwards that Neville had called Chelmsford police.

The police shot Sheila, refused to admit it, staged the scene to implicate Sheila was already dead in a murder/suicide. Then after being successful with this frame,  made a 360 degree turn and decided to attempt to frame an innocent Bamber. A month later. I know, I know.

The police drew up Julie's WS and included MM in it.

They handed in two silencer to the labs. No one from the lab team doing anything.

They caved in and changed stance due to pressure from relatives. Although knew Bamber was innocent, or at least had to create a huge cover up.


That was tough, as there were 39 to choose from. 
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I posted this earlier today:


Mine are -

The police didn't tell Bamber on the night or afterwards that Neville had called Chelmsford police.

The police shot Sheila, refused to admit it, staged the scene to implicate Sheila was already dead in a murder/suicide. Then after being successful with this frame,  made a 360 degree turn and decided to attempt to frame an innocent Bamber. A month later. I know, I know.

The police drew up Julie's WS and included MM in it.

They handed in two silencer to the labs. No one from the lab team doing anything.

They caved in and changed stance due to pressure from relatives. Although knew Bamber was innocent, or at least had to create a huge cover up.


That was tough, as there were 39 to choose from.

The idea of Neville ringing the police is not outrageous. Its either version A or version B

Version  A - If Neville didn't call the police, it would mean they accidently wrote down the logs to make it appear Neville rang them.

Version B - If Neville did ring the police, It would mean the operators received a call from a "Jeremy Bamber" and a "Mr Bamber", In the mist of confusion believed "Mr Bamber" and "Jeremy Bamber" were the same caller when in fact "Mr Bamber" was Neville Bamber. Since both callers would describe the same situation and in short time intervals it would be possible mistake for the operators to make, specially at that time of night.

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The idea of Neville ringing the police is not outrageous. Its either version A or version B

Version  A - If Neville didn't call the police, it would mean they accidently wrote down the logs to make it appear Neville rang them.

Version B - If Neville did ring the police, It would mean the operators received a call from a "Jeremy Bamber" and a "Mr Bamber", In the mist of confusion believed "Mr Bamber" and "Jeremy Bamber" were the same caller when in fact "Mr Bamber" was Neville Bamber. Since both callers would describe the same situation and in short time intervals it would be possible mistake for the operators to make, specially at that time of night.

You said the other week the police deliberately withheld that Neville called Chelmsford police on the night as they had decided to frame Bamber.

Anyway what is you're top 5 ?
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You said the other week the police deliverately withheld that Neville called Chelmsford police on the night as they had decided to frame Bamber.

Anyway what is you're top 5 ?

No I put forward a motive for them doing so. I didn't say I actually believed they deliberately withheld the call all knowing it happened.

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mine are 33 n 32 .if you start at the top as number1 :)

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Adam. Its also been suggested that EP killed Taff Jones so he could not testify in favour of Jeremy.

That's got to be my number 1 most outrageous
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No I put forward a motive for them doing so. I didn't say I actually believed they deliberately withheld the call all knowing it happened.

What would be the motive for not telling Bamber or anyone else Neville called the police. Both on the night and for the next month ? Bamber had a good relationship with the police during this period. 

Why would the police decide to frame him a month later if they knew he was innocent ?
« Last Edit: September 01, 2016, 08:48:AM by Adam »
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Adam. Its also been suggested that EP killed Taff Jones so he could not testify in favour of Jeremy.

That's got to be my number 1 most outrageous

Thats a good one. That's 40 accusations now.

I wonder if EP have their own top 5 or top 10 list ?
« Last Edit: September 01, 2016, 08:47:AM by Adam »
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Re: Top 5 outrageous accusations made against EP: Time to vote for a winner:
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2016, 09:25:AM »
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.the-newshub.com/general/jeremy-bamber-a-thirty-year-injustice83&ved=0ahUKEwjj-tjg2-3OAhUoIMAKHYB_B44QqQIINCgBMAU&usg=AFQjCNGaHrmgDvCL-4LTSdkFytS02vBbHQ

Poppy says that Bamber 'inadvertedly' received some documents from the police which had been placed under PPI.

I assume she means the police sent him documents they should not have. Which means they simultaneously broke the law and assisted Bamber. By mistake.

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Re: Top 5 outrageous accusations made against EP: Time to vote for a winner:
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2016, 10:09:AM »
The idea of Neville ringing the police is not outrageous. Its either version A or version B

Version  A - If Neville didn't call the police, it would mean they accidently wrote down the logs to make it appear Neville rang them.

Version B - If Neville did ring the police, It would mean the operators received a call from a "Jeremy Bamber" and a "Mr Bamber", In the mist of confusion believed "Mr Bamber" and "Jeremy Bamber" were the same caller when in fact "Mr Bamber" was Neville Bamber. Since both callers would describe the same situation and in short time intervals it would be possible mistake for the operators to make, specially at that time of night.
In all fairness David, I don't believe the plan was ever to incriminate himself in the way he did;  think as the way things happened in the house, Neville was going to be forced to ring the police and it didn't work, Neville fought back,The plan may have always been to force Neville to make the call, and in the panic that Neville fought him, the best Jeremy bamber could do was to say Neville had called him,  he was then backed into a corner which made him come up with a story he had not thought through?

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Re: Top 5 outrageous accusations made against EP: Time to vote for a winner:
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2016, 10:33:AM »
It really is soooo simple to name a thousand and one things which go against JB and being that he was convicted and sent to prison what could be easier ?  ::) Done and dusted and that's the end of it.
 Any fool can come up with all kinds of different scenarios.
 Including myself,none of us had seen,or know what the crime scene actually looked like when WHF was first entered of which there'd have been clear indications of what had gone on. The question is----can we rely on the police that they had ALL told the truth of their findings given that even the " top man " who'd overlooked the investigation had stated that " it was a shambles ?"

The hardest part of this case is finding him NOT GUILTY !!

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Re: Top 5 outrageous accusations made against EP: Time to vote for a winner:
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2016, 10:44:AM »
In all fairness David, I don't believe the plan was ever to incriminate himself in the way he did;  think as the way things happened in the house, Neville was going to be forced to ring the police and it didn't work, Neville fought back,The plan may have always been to force Neville to make the call, and in the panic that Neville fought him, the best Jeremy bamber could do was to say Neville had called him,  he was then backed into a corner which made him come up with a story he had not thought through?

I don't believe Bamber intended to attempt get Neville to ring the police in the kitchen. Neville alive, injured or not was much too much of a risk.

He shot him 4 times upstairs. Twice in the head which had prevented Neville speaking. It would have been 4 times in the head if Neville had not woken.

Bamber could easily stage manage things upstairs to give the impression Neville had called him.
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Re: Top 5 outrageous accusations made against EP: Time to vote for a winner:
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2016, 12:59:PM »
I don't believe Bamber intended to attempt get Neville to ring the police in the kitchen. Neville alive, injured or not was much too much of a risk.

He shot him 4 times upstairs. Twice in the head which had prevented Neville speaking. It would have been 4 times in the head if Neville had not woken.

Bamber could easily stage manage things upstairs to give the impression Neville had called him.
Quite correct Adam, he could have easily stage managed things upstairs but it didn't go to plan.