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Offline sami

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« Reply #150 on: August 31, 2016, 04:44:PM »
What are you on about?
ive got nothing more to say to you.and i wont be apologizing this time .you decided to use snide remarks reffering to me and i have returned the remarks in kind

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« Reply #151 on: August 31, 2016, 04:50:PM »
ive got nothing more to say to you.and i wont be apologizing this time .you decided to use snide remarks reffering to me and i have returned the remarks in kind
Good  8) Missing you already
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« Reply #152 on: August 31, 2016, 06:21:PM »
topic should be moved to off topic because its got nothing to do with the case.just started by a whinger. who cares how many are on what side.its a forum or maybe we should ban a few guilters to even things up :)) :))
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« Reply #153 on: August 31, 2016, 07:37:PM »




League tables,targets,all part of governments interference in the workplaces,namely schools and hospitals which makes and creates the stresses that we see today.Other areas too like GP surgeries and retail----all dictated to which leaves the workers scrambling and in a frenzy to adhere to these rules which are impossible to meet. Cutting corners to meet deadlines are there for all to see in every workplace and where there's failure you have mental health problems among those who are dedicated to their jobs.
All the unnecessary " jobsworth " brigade of Ofwat,Oftel,Ofcom, Ofsted,etc etc ( made up jobs ) These " regulators " of services are non-starters in any industry,for it's those who are already in charge of areas of employments,e.g. bosses who are a sufficient body without the need to waste millions on organisations such as these.
There is an obscene waste of money in this country when it should be going into the NHS and education and not to the interfering busy bodies who haven't got a clue about either profession.
Mental illness will increase rapidly because of what is expected of everyone, and hundreds chasing very few job opportunities.
I've actually heard about a headmistress who rejects children into her school if they come from poorer families. All this woman cared about were her league tables and the Ofsted visits.No mention of encouraging these poor little souls into education,it was all about herself and this is how I see the country going------them and us,created by those " who follow the rules ".
I think the key to this murder-suicide may lie in the father's job, which must have become too much for him after juggling all other extra-curricular commitments. Maybe the individuals on selection panels at interviews will now realize that a teacher cannot be at someone's beck and call twenty-four hours a day and should be entitled to a proper work life balance.

One thing which I find hard to understand is why take your spouse and three children with you if you must embark on a course of suicide. Clodagh, his teacher wife had an hour-long commute to work, which makes me think she was shattered herself upon returning home and Alan may have felt the childcare was falling disproportionately on him. Of course it's all just speculation, and the blame if we are to use that word must lie with the husband and father, that control freak par excellence who made the decision that if he was to die then the others would too.

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« Reply #154 on: August 31, 2016, 08:09:PM »
It's as I thought and the clue was in the timing of the tragedy occurring just before the advent of the new term.  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/deputy-principal-who-murdered-family-8739698

I have known scores of teachers off sick due to pressure of work but suicide is far rarer. I did know one man who took the ultimate step, however.  http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/school-head-found-hanged-1053576

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« Reply #155 on: August 31, 2016, 08:32:PM »
It's as I thought and the clue was in the timing of the tragedy occurring just before the advent of the new term.  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/deputy-principal-who-murdered-family-8739698

I have known scores of teachers off sick due to pressure of work but suicide is far rarer. I did know one man who took the ultimate step, however.  http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/school-head-found-hanged-1053576




I would reckon that quite a few teachers aren't looking forward to the new term. I know I'd be dreading it if I had to teach in some of the schools with all the rules regulations that are now in place since my day.
 The higher up the scale you are the more that's expected from you along with more responsibility.
This day and age a teacher has to be a jack of all trades, leaving little enough time for the job in hand.
Two of my friends were teachers in the late 60's,70's and into the 80's,which,compared to today,were the best years,retiring in early to mid-90's. Both had enjoyed their jobs immensely,but neither would do the same job today.

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« Reply #156 on: August 31, 2016, 10:40:PM »



I would reckon that quite a few teachers aren't looking forward to the new term. I know I'd be dreading it if I had to teach in some of the schools with all the rules regulations that are now in place since my day.
 The higher up the scale you are the more that's expected from you along with more responsibility.
This day and age a teacher has to be a jack of all trades, leaving little enough time for the job in hand.
Two of my friends were teachers in the late 60's,70's and into the 80's,which,compared to today,were the best years,retiring in early to mid-90's. Both had enjoyed their jobs immensely,but neither would do the same job today.
The job should be about teaching, not worrying about balancing the books. In my mother's day the Headmaster poked his nose around every classroom in the school on a daily basis. Now they are often remote in a separate part of the building along with a host of other ancillary staff and I'm sure some of the pupils must be confused.

On a different note the death of a young person is always a tragedy. The train driver will remember the event when this young girl fell to her death in front of him for the rest of his life.  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tributes-18-year-old-former-8741117

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« Reply #157 on: August 31, 2016, 10:54:PM »
The job should be about teaching, not worrying about balancing the books. In my mother's day the Headmaster poked his nose around every classroom in the school on a daily basis. Now they are often remote in a separate part of the building along with a host of other ancillary staff and I'm sure some of the pupils must be confused.

On a different note the death of a young person is always a tragedy. The train driver will remember the event when this young girl fell to her death in front of him for the rest of his life.  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tributes-18-year-old-former-8741117

Are you a teacher Steve? sorry I am confused about the topic  :-\

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« Reply #158 on: August 31, 2016, 11:19:PM »
Are you a teacher Steve? sorry I am confused about the topic  :-\
Yes but I may do less hours in the future. This disease of affluence, which has caused Alan Hawe to distort his whole existence, unable to lose face and supplicate subordinates for help in the morass of figures into which he slid, vowing on only one course as he first stabbed his wife Clodagh in a frenzied attack, from which there was no extrication, moving upstairs silently in bathrobe and slippers to butcher his three sons, then suspend a rope from the banister and pull it taut.  http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/update-funeral-arrangements-announced-for-cavan-murder-suicide-victims-752296.html
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« Reply #159 on: August 31, 2016, 11:36:PM »
Yes but I may do less hours in the future. This disease of affluence, which has caused Alan Hawe to distort his whole existence, unable to lose face and supplicate subordinates for help in the morass of figures into which he slid, vowing on only one course as he first stabbed his wife Clodagh in a frenzied attack, from which there was no extrication, moving upstairs silently in bathrobe and slippers to butcher his three sons, then suspend a rope from the banister and pull it taut.  http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/update-funeral-arrangements-announced-for-cavan-murder-suicide-victims-752296.html

You cannot blame this primary on money. This kind of act is often caused by a concoction of different and complicated issues brewing overtime till one day the person snaps. Maybe his wife threatened to leave and that was the final trigger that caused him to explode.
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« Reply #160 on: August 31, 2016, 11:58:PM »
You cannot blame this primary on money. This kind of act is often caused by a concoction of different and complicated issues brewing overtime till one day the person snaps. Maybe his wife threatened to leave and that was the final trigger that caused him to explode.
What I mean is that people are going through the motions of existence as the stresses and strains of the daily grind work insidiously until there's no quality time left to spend as a family. Someone ringing up about a Gaelic football date, then the local bishop on the phone to discuss the Sunday service, the extra-curricular calendar rears its head and you're still left with the toil of the teacher's job to juggle with. I agree at some point this man has lost all contact with reality but he couldn't admit that he wasn't up to the job lest he lose face amongst the local community. This is why all had to die because he didn't want his sons growing up with the shame of their father's suicide on their hands.
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« Reply #161 on: September 01, 2016, 12:55:AM »
Jesus said "Suffer the little children unto me", yet the absurd text message left amongst the corpses "From evil comes good" is found in no biblical text and is a pathetic attempt to absolve the father of blame for this most heinous sin. It exposes the hypocrisy of a society where appearance is everything, where marital discord is brushed under the carpet and divorce, though legal would be frowned upon in the conservative agricultural community of County Cavan. Alan Hawe, the outsider who ingratiated himself with the locals yet ultimately treated his family worse than a pig herd will go down in the annals of social history as an instrument of evil as his diabolical acts cast a shroud over the optimism of children's minds at the start of the new term.   http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/teenager-murdered-by-alan-hawe-8744129
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« Reply #162 on: September 01, 2016, 01:11:AM »
Jesus said "Suffer the little children unto me", yet the absurd text message left amongst the corpses "From evil comes good" is found in no biblical text and is a pathetic attempt to absolve the father of blame for this most heinous sin. It exposes the hypocrisy of a society where appearance is everything, where marital discord is brushed under the carpet and divorce, though legal would be frowned upon in the conservative agricultural community of County Cavan. Alan Hawe, the outsider who ingratiated himself with the locals yet ultimately treated his family worse than a pig herd will go down in the annals of social history as an instrument of evil as his diabolical acts cast a shroud over the optimism of children's minds at the start of the new term.   http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/teenager-murdered-by-alan-hawe-8744129

You make too many assumptions, Based on very little evidence. The circumstances that drove him over the edge and what was going through his head at the time will never be fully known.

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« Reply #163 on: September 01, 2016, 01:37:AM »
You make too many assumptions, Based on very little evidence. The circumstances that drove him over the edge and what was going through his head at the time will never be fully known.
But there is a disturbing pattern amongst these individuals, and whilst suffering from an undiagnosed mental health condition themselves the taking of another person's life must be condemned as a wicked and heinous act.  http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/the-spectre-of-murdersuicide-that-continues-to-haunt-rural-ireland-31470943.html

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« Reply #164 on: September 01, 2016, 02:27:AM »
But there is a disturbing pattern amongst these individuals, and whilst suffering from an undiagnosed mental health condition themselves the taking of another person's life must be condemned as a wicked and heinous act.  http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/the-spectre-of-murdersuicide-that-continues-to-haunt-rural-ireland-31470943.html

I am not disagreeing on that