Most on here are guilters.

[Steve_uk]

Even if the murderer was his ex wife?

You seem rather interested in Colin's position in this, do you actually know him?

I feel I have some kind of insight after reading his book, which is written from the heart. I also wonder how his sons would have grown up, a product of two altruistic parents who were grounded in values set before the Thatcher era of greed and materialism.  https://twitter.com/caffellsculpts/status/744161485862092800

[David1819]

I feel I have some kind of insight after reading his book, which is written from the heart. I also wonder how his sons would have grown up, a product of two altruistic parents who were grounded in values set before the Thatcher era of greed and materialism.  https://twitter.com/caffellsculpts/status/744161485862092800

That's all well and good Steve. But if Sheila was responsible and Colin refuses to once again accept that, the injustice against Jeremy takes precedence over Colin's position would you not agree?

[Steve_uk]

That's all well and good Steve. But if Sheila was responsible and Colin refuses to once again accept that, the injustice against Jeremy takes precedence over Colin's position would you not agree?

The nasty letters written to Colin in those early years of his incarceration give me the real insight into the physiognomy of Jeremy Bamber, akin to the attempt to sell photographs of his dead sister to a tabloid newspaper some months before. The reason Jeremy has nothing materially to say on his case today is that he blabbed it all to Julie, Liz Rimmington and it appears everyone else who would listen before realizing the consequences, and when convicted lost the only source of his power which interested him, namely money, and this is the only reason he refuses to admit his guilt today as he hankers after the state compensation which will never materialize.

[sami]

To show solidarity with Colin and respect his wishes to keep the man who murdered his sons where he is.

well said steve .it all seems to be poor jb but lets not forget the victims.we guilters speak for them.if people dont like discussing theorys with guilters ,they can allways discuss it by themselfs 

[David1819]

The nasty letters written to Colin in those early years of his incarceration give me the real insight into the physiognomy of Jeremy Bamber, akin to the attempt to sell photographs of his dead sister to a tabloid newspaper some months before. The reason Jeremy has nothing materially to say on his case today is that he blabbed it all to Julie, Liz Rimmington and it appears everyone else who would listen before realizing the consequences, and when convicted lost the only source of his power which interested him, namely money, and this is the only reason he refuses to admit his guilt today as he hankers after the state compensation which will never materialize.

Your now doing a 180 going from logic to emotion.

Jeremy never told Julie anything. His alleged confessions to her not only contradicted the crime scene evidence, they contained false information she could only have got from the relatives or tabloids. Her testimony is a complete parody.

You cannot gain a reliable insight into someone's physiognomy by Just reading a few letters. Plus you have only seen snippets of his letters to Colin and none of Colins messages back to him.

You are not being objective Steve

[sami]

Should we all leave then and leave you to it?  What would you spend your evenings doing, you don't seem to have any other interest. Mike set it up for debating innocence or guilt not just for innocence.  Like I said you don't like competition and it clearly shows.

youve hit the nail on the head there justice, well said its a forum and forums are for debating and exchanging ideas.

[Steve_uk]

Your now doing a 180 going from logic to emotion.

Jeremy never told Julie anything. His alleged confessions to her not only contradicted the crime scene evidence, they contained false information she could only have got from the relatives or tabloids. Her testimony is a complete parody.

You cannot gain a reliable insight into someone's physiognomy by Just reading a few letters. Plus you have only seen snippets of his letters to Colin and none of Colins messages back to him.

You are not being objective Steve

Jeremy speculated to the only intelligent woman in the vicinity who would listen to him, and we get a good outline of how the crime developed from the initial idea of poison to the shooting which ultimately ensued. You were never going to get an exact account from someone whom Michael Deckers described as a "Walter Mitty character" but there was enough of substance for Stan Jones to realize its import. The hitman story coming at a time when Julie was in the last chance saloon and desperate to be believed by the authorities is testament to her and her story's veracity, shocking as its relation was.

As for Colin he initially felt an affinity with him as Jeremy played on the outsiders leitmotif, with Colin possibly forced into marriage due to Sheila's pregnancy and Nevill and June finally putting pressure on their son to make an honest woman of Julie, which Jeremy had no intention of doing. He used her as he used others on the Farm, who were informed of their inferior status in no uncertain terms. When Jeremy saw his inheritance diminishing by Sheila's hospital fees, the figures lying on Nevill's desk along with other paraphernalia upon which an increasingly lugubrious father reminisced, the possibility of a private school education for the twins and of course Sheila's share in her own right Jeremy seized a once in a lifetime opportunity which presented itself that August week thirty-one years ago when all were gathered under one roof, those five sitting ducks unable to extricate themselves from Jeremy's act of diablerie, that necessary act for him to start life anew.

[Caroline]

Your now doing a 180 going from logic to emotion.

Jeremy never told Julie anything. His alleged confessions to her not only contradicted the crime scene evidence, they contained false information she could only have got from the relatives or tabloids. Her testimony is a complete parody.

You cannot gain a reliable insight into someone's physiognomy by Just reading a few letters. Plus you have only seen snippets of his letters to Colin and none of Colins messages back to him.

You are not being objective Steve

Like the hit man story? It;s you who can't be objective!

You don't think Jeremy was/is hostile to Colin?

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy speculated to the only intelligent woman in the vicinity who would listen to him, and we get a good outline of how the crime developed from the initial idea of poison to the shooting which ultimately ensued. You were never going to get an exact account from someone whom Michael Deckers described as a "Walter Mitty character" but there was enough of substance for Stan Jones to realize its import. The hitman story coming at a time when Julie was in the last chance saloon and desperate to be believed by the authorities is testament to her and her story's veracity, shocking as its relation was.

As for Colin he initially felt an affinity with him as Jeremy played on the outsiders leitmotif, with Colin possibly forced into marriage due to Sheila's pregnancy and Nevill and June finally putting pressure on their son to make an honest woman of Julie, which Jeremy had no intention of doing. He used her as he used others on the Farm, who were informed of their inferior status in no uncertain terms. When Jeremy saw his inheritance diminishing by Sheila's hospital fees, the figures lying on Nevill's desk along with other paraphernalia upon which an increasingly lugubrious father reminisced, the possibility of a private school education for the twins and of course Sheila's share in her own right Jeremy seized a once in a lifetime opportunity which presented itself that August week thirty-one years ago when all were gathered under one roof, those five sitting ducks unable to extricate themselves from Jeremy's act of diablerie, that necessary act for him to start life anew.

A strange mix of the high-achieving and unworldly, it may be difficult for outsiders to understand Julie's thought processes, a product as she was of Altrincham Girls Grammar School, where she would be schooled in how to achieve the best. The fatal flaw in her character of not listening to a feminine instinct, a women's intuition if you will and going with the flow for far too long led to tragedy, as she was led astray by the product of an evil mind and the promise of Southern England's wealth, which transpired to be nothing but a chimera, and it would be distant shores which reaped the usufruct of her efforts as she climbed the ladder of success overseas.    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2274329/Chloe-Waddell-dies-Teenage-Olympic-hopeful-collapses-hours-winning-awards-sports-ceremony.html

[David1819]

Like the hit man story? It;s you who can't be objective!

You don't think Jeremy was/is hostile to Colin?

Macdonald went around telling people he was a hitman. It originates from him.

I not even going to bother going into details because you KNOW and UNDERSTAND full well why Mugsie is not a credible witness. Its on the forum for all to see
 

[David1819]

Jeremy speculated to the only intelligent woman in the vicinity who would listen to him, and we get a good outline of how the crime developed from the initial idea of poison to the shooting which ultimately ensued. You were never going to get an exact account from someone whom Michael Deckers described as a "Walter Mitty character" but there was enough of substance for Stan Jones to realize its import. The hitman story coming at a time when Julie was in the last chance saloon and desperate to be believed by the authorities is testament to her and her story's veracity, shocking as its relation was.

As for Colin he initially felt an affinity with him as Jeremy played on the outsiders leitmotif, with Colin possibly forced into marriage due to Sheila's pregnancy and Nevill and June finally putting pressure on their son to make an honest woman of Julie, which Jeremy had no intention of doing. He used her as he used others on the Farm, who were informed of their inferior status in no uncertain terms. When Jeremy saw his inheritance diminishing by Sheila's hospital fees, the figures lying on Nevill's desk along with other paraphernalia upon which an increasingly lugubrious father reminisced, the possibility of a private school education for the twins and of course Sheila's share in her own right Jeremy seized a once in a lifetime opportunity which presented itself that August week thirty-one years ago when all were gathered under one roof, those five sitting ducks unable to extricate themselves from Jeremy's act of diablerie, that necessary act for him to start life anew.

Jeremy did not say anything that Julie claimed. Her testimony is false and full of contradictions, evidence she could only have got from police or Ann Eaton.  When the defence tried to cross examine her she put on a fake cry to avoid being exposed it didn't work Rivlin QC tore her apart.

The rest of what you said above is in the absence of evidence. You have yourself said you have conceded to the problems presented in the crime scene photos. So at least your getting there

[Steve_uk]

Macdonald went around telling people he was a hitman. It originates from him.

I not even going to bother going into details because you KNOW and UNDERSTAND full well why Mugsie is not a credible witness. Its on the forum for all to see

In case the link I posted has bewildered some people I posted it to show how driven girls from the aforementioned school can be, and I sense this characteristic in Julie. She was neither a chav nor a scally nor another pejorative term, but by happenstance fell in with a latent mass murderer, whose consequences she must live with for the rest of her life. She is a credible witness because of her contradictions, which manifest her naivete but in no way compromise the evidence. For her to clutch at straws by implicating someone of whom she only knew stories of his repute is not within the confines of her disposition, whose true nature came to the fore after the whole sorry episode had finished and whose potential she could fulfil in Canada.

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy did not say anything that Julie claimed. Her testimony is false and full of contradictions, evidence she could only have got from police or Ann Eaton.  When the defence tried to cross examine her she put on a fake cry to avoid being exposed it didn't work Rivlin QC tore her apart.

The rest of what you said above is in the absence of evidence. You have yourself said you have conceded to the problems presented in the crime scene photos. So at least your getting there

You can't possibly make a judgement on three photographs when hundreds were taken on the morning, which should be examined in private by an impartial panel of experts. Of course it's Jeremy's word versus Julie's, as the judge pointed out at trial. But there are no inconsistencies in Julie's testimony, which is why it may have swayed a majority of jurors.

[David1819]

You can't possibly make a judgement on three photographs when hundreds were taken on the morning, which should be examined in private by an impartial panel of experts. Of course it's Jeremy's word versus Julie's, as the judge pointed out at trial. But there are no inconsistencies in Julie's testimony, which is why it may have swayed a majority of jurors.

Jeremy's word vs Julies.  Jeremy has passed the polygraph, Now lets see if Julie would dare try and take one 

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy's word vs Julies.  Jeremy has passed the polygraph, Now lets see if Julie would dare try and take one 

They're next to useless.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3243015.stm