Q & A's about the rifle left sprawled out inside WHF.

[Steve_uk]

Steve,there was a false nail found on the floor which must have taken some force to have come unstuck because the glue that is used to keep the nails secure is pretty lethal in adhering to surfaces.
I don't think it was ever mentioned as to which finger it came from,which would have been helpful.

I think there was a false nail found in a sponge bag in the living room, but as there are no photos of that room at all we have to take Ann Eaton's word for it. There was a piece of red nail varnish in the kitchen which Peter Sutherst commented on(I think it was) but Sheila could have stubbed her toe when she was foraging for food as it's known she ate later than the others.

[sami]

Yes Sami I knew this, June Bamber also told one of  her relation's that she had seen JB trying to show Sheila how to use a gun, when questioned as to if Sheila did tried to shoot the gun....June said no she didn't!

interestingly  ,june who had seen guns at whf didnt know the correct word for magazine .she called it 'the thingy'.i think her words were 'jb tryed to get sheila to load bullets into  the thingy

[Steve_uk]

interestingly  ,june who had seen guns at whf didnt know the correct word for magazine .she called it 'the thingy'.i think her words were 'jb tryed to get sheila to load bullets into  the thingy

Yes but this is unreliable evidence and I'm surprised anyone falls for it, most of all the innocent brigade when they don't believe any other part of Robert Boutflour's testimony.

[Caroline]

I asked you to show evidence Sheila did not know how to chamber a rifle

On the contrary, The only person who could establish this as fact is Sheila herself. So its never going to happen


The absence of Hypostasis can been seen the photos already in the public domain. - no it can't!

If you don't find my claim credible it does not bother me, I don't have to justify myself to your satisfaction.

I'm not interested in you or your OPINIONS to be honest but you remember that statement when you ask others for clarification! but for the record as I have said before 'I don't believe you'.

[Adam]

Your arguments are silly. Two can play at that game However

Could Neville have put the gun back in the cupboard? YES

Did Sheila know there was guns on the farm? YES

Did Sheila know were the gun cupboard was? YES

Did the gun cupboard have a lock? NO

Had Sheila held a gun before? YES

Does this mean Sheila know one end of the gun from the other? YES

 

I said this week on another thread that Bamber was trying too hard to set the scene pre massacre to frame Sheila. Telling everyone there was a fully loaded rifle sprawled across the kitchen for her.

He invented a batch of very unlikely events which he has always stood by -

Seeing rabbits.

Deciding to go outside and shoot them.

Fully loading the rifle.

Not putting the silencer on.

Not firing any shots at rabbits outside.

Not putting the rifle back in the cupboard.
 
No one else putting the rifle away into the cupboard.

Fostering conversations were apparently taking place during this period.


He could have just said there were guns in the gun cupboard and Sheila must have taken one. He had already lied to the police and said Sheila knew how to use all the guns. Maybe he felt someone in a psychotic frenzy would not have the presence of mind to go to the gun cupboard.

Anyway the rifle on top of Sheila was the same one Bamber said he left out. Once he had given the story of leaving the rifle out and implied Sheila took it, there was no going back from the shooting rabbits scenario.

[guest7363]

I said this week on another thread that Bamber was trying too hard to set the scene pre massacre to frame Sheila. Telling everyone there was a fully loaded rifle sprawled across the kitchen for her.

He invented a batch of very unlikely events which he has always stood by -

Seeing rabbits.

Deciding to go outside and shoot them.

Fully loading the rifle.

Not putting the silencer on.

Not firing any shots at rabbits outside.

Not putting the rifle back in the cupboard.
 
No one else putting the rifle away into the cupboard.

Fostering conversations were apparently taking place during this period.


He could have just said there were guns in the gun cupboard and Sheila must have taken one. He had already lied to the police and said Sheila knew how to use all the guns. Maybe he felt someone in a psychotic frenzy would not have the presence of mind to go to the gun cupboard.

Anyway the rifle on top of Sheila was the same one Bamber said he left out. Once he had given the story of leaving the rifle out and implied Sheila took it, there was no going back from the shooting rabbits scenario.

Very true Adam and good post

[Jane]

Very true Adam and good post

Apart from dotting all the I's and crossing all the T's of the practicalities -the easy part- Jeremy had the impossible task of getting into, what he THOUGHT to be, the mind of a paranoid schizophrenic. There's no point, therefore, in speculating on what Jeremy would or wouldn't have done. The scene was never meant to look like Jeremy had done it. It was designed to look like, in Jeremy's mind, Sheila had done it.

[guest7363]

Apart from dotting all the I's and crossing all the T's of the practicalities -the easy part- Jeremy had the impossible task of getting into, what he THOUGHT to be, the mind of a paranoid schizophrenic. There's no point, therefore, in speculating on what Jeremy would or wouldn't have done. The scene was never meant to look like Jeremy had done it. It was designed to look like, in Jeremy's mind, Sheila had done it.

Very true Jane, he would have studied Sheila like he studied Colin. 

[sami]

very cunning.

[lookout]

According to the case,JB had made everything up about Sheila having been ill. The relatives had denied all knowledge because they simply hadn't known so therefore told EP that there had been nothing wrong with Sheila. Not even Pam knew anything,so because it had been drummed into EP that it couldn't possibly have been Sheila as there'd been nothing wrong with her health,which I'm sure to this day that the relatives still shun the fact that Sheila had been ill at all.
CC had blamed himself in this respect for not having confided outside the Bamber household for fear of being disloyal to the family,though felt a sense of relief " knowing " that nobody knew of her illness on which to lay blame for the killings.
This is why after a month or so of deliberations among family and friends it had been decided that no way did Sheila have anything to do with these mass murders as everyone had been convinced that Sheila was a normal,clear-headed young woman who had no mental health issues.

Convinced ??

[Caroline]

According to the case,JB had made everything up about Sheila having been ill. The relatives had denied all knowledge because they simply hadn't known so therefore told EP that there had been nothing wrong with Sheila. Not even Pam knew anything,so because it had been drummed into EP that it couldn't possibly have been Sheila as there'd been nothing wrong with her health,which I'm sure to this day that the relatives still shun the fact that Sheila had been ill at all.
CC had blamed himself in this respect for not having confided outside the Bamber household for fear of being disloyal to the family,though felt a sense of relief " knowing " that nobody knew of her illness on which to lay blame for the killings.
This is why after a month or so of deliberations among family and friends it had been decided that no way did Sheila have anything to do with these mass murders as everyone had been convinced that Sheila was a normal,clear-headed young woman who had no mental health issues.

Convinced ??

They didn't say there was nothing wrong with her, they just didn't know the extent of her illness.

[lookout]

Are we to believe the relatives ? Because what they had to say for the rest of the trial was the " truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth ." Even going beyond doctors/specialists and psychiatrists. They remain wholly convinced that Sheila wasn't unwell and that JB was using it as an excuse.
So now we know !

This info came from an ex.resident who moved to my neck of the woods from Witham.

[Caroline]

Are we to believe the relatives ? Because what they had to say for the rest of the trial was the " truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth ." Even going beyond doctors/specialists and psychiatrists. They remain wholly convinced that Sheila wasn't unwell and that JB was using it as an excuse.
So now we know !

This info came from an ex.resident who moved to my neck of the woods from Witham.

Just because someone lives in Witham, doesn't mean they know the family intimately or even at all. This could be just gossip.

[lookout]

Just because someone lives in Witham, doesn't mean they know the family intimately or even at all. This could be just gossip.

This woman isn't a " gossipy " person. She's quite matter of fact and works for local government.

[lookout]

For CC to say,in his words " that nobody had a clue about Sheila's illness ",people were bound to blame JB.