Why didn't Bamber put the silencer on prior to shooting rabbits ?

[Adam]

yes ive changed my stance now ,thanks adam.its the best thing about the forum you can come here with one theory and believe it until someone comes out with a theory that sounds more likely than your own.its a learning process for me

Apart from Bamber perhaps shooting the twins first, supporters have also recently made me reconsider Bamber's WHF entrance options.

As well as the three ground floor windows, Nugs kindly highlighted that Bamber could have got into WHF by using a ladder and going through June and Neville's upstairs bedroom window. And criticised the police for not considering this is how Bamber achieved his entrance.

It's certainly another entrance option for Bamber. However this method of entrance has never been suggested before and I believe he entered through the downstairs bathroom window.

[sami]

iam not convinced the second shot straight upwards to the brain could have been made while sheila was sitting upright on the floor ,the length of the rifle would not allow it ,only if her head had been tilted back could that shot be made and the bullet take the path it did.imo

[lookout]

Sheila could have been sitting,propped up against the bedside cabinet and after the first shot it would have jolted her,with the second shot following in quick succession just by a mere touch of the trigger as because it was a comparatively new rifle and a semi-automatic one it would have sent her in the position that she'd been found.

The above " could " have happened,although I don't believe it went that way. I have my own thoughts,especially as the rifle had been just placed on Sheila's body because it wouldn't have landed like it had if she'd just shot herself.
I've always wanted to know how DCI " Taff " Jones came to the conclusion that it was a murder/suicide. Just because a weapon appears on a body doesn't always mean that that person had been responsible.

I'll have to re-read about which bullet wounds were contact shots on both June and Neville.   

[guest7363]

iam not convinced the second shot straight upwards to the brain could have been made while sheila was sitting upright on the floor ,the length of the rifle would not allow it ,only if her head had been tilted back could that shot be made and the bullet take the path it did.imo

Thats true Sami, the angle wouldn't be right the second shot for me was when she was pulled and layed flat, executed in this position to make sure, he must have been suprised how many bullets it took to kill everyone and he could not stage suicide with a large number of bullets into Sheila, it had to be 1, at the most 2.

[lookout]

There is an amount of backwards force from firing a rifle and although you think you're aiming straight it doesn't necessarily say that a bullet will go straight where you want it to,unless you're a professional and this wasn't the case in this murder.
Close shots had to be because of Sheila's coordination problems or the bullets would have been all over the place,walls,ceilings,etc.

[guest7363]

Sheila could have been sitting,propped up against the bedside cabinet and after the first shot it would have jolted her,with the second shot following in quick succession just by a mere touch of the trigger as because it was a comparatively new rifle and a semi-automatic one it would have sent her in the position that she'd been found.

The above " could " have happened,although I don't believe it went that way. I have my own thoughts,especially as the rifle had been just placed on Sheila's body because it wouldn't have landed like it had if she'd just shot herself.
I've always wanted to know how DCI " Taff " Jones came to the conclusion that it was a murder/suicide. Just because a weapon appears on a body doesn't always mean that that person had been responsible.

I'll have to re-read about which bullet wounds were contact shots on both June and Neville.

I didn't realise Taff was in charge of the investigation right till his death.  The silencer took 10 to 12 days before it came back from tests, then it was sent off again for further tests because of the blood, this then was starting to change the investigation, they were in the process of securing evidence at this stage, then Julie came forward.                                                                                                                                        Taff being the senior made the assumption it was four murders and a suicide, the senior crime scene investigation took two and a half days to complete, it's not until further evidence comes and investigations and interviews can the police get a better picture, they admit that they did not examine the crime scene to the extent it should have been.  They wasn't even looking for a silencer in the investigation and even if the police had found it in the gun cupboard the significance wouldn't have been recognised at the time. It's how it used to work Lookout, the officer in charge makes a judgement, then he directs a line of enquiries based on that judgement.  Things changed after the Bamber investigation.

[David1819]

Thats true Sami, the angle wouldn't be right the second shot for me was when she was pulled and layed flat, executed in this position to make sure, he must have been suprised how many bullets it took to kill everyone and he could not stage suicide with a large number of bullets into Sheila, it had to be 1, at the most 2.

you need to consider that once she was flat her head was at an angle by the bedside table. Had she been shot while in that position the bullet would have gone through her chin and out her upper cheekbone.

Plus had she died sitting up and remained sitting up with a neck wound until someone pulled her. I would expect there to be considerable more blood running down her night dress.

[sami]

Thats true Sami, the angle wouldn't be right the second shot for me was when she was pulled and layed flat, executed in this position to make sure, he must have been suprised how many bullets it took to kill everyone and he could not stage suicide with a large number of bullets into Sheila, it had to be 1, at the most 2.

totally agree my thoughts exactly justice.

[sami]

Sheila could have been sitting,propped up against the bedside cabinet and after the first shot it would have jolted her,with the second shot following in quick succession just by a mere touch of the trigger as because it was a comparatively new rifle and a semi-automatic one it would have sent her in the position that she'd been found.

The above " could " have happened,although I don't believe it went that way. I have my own thoughts,especially as the rifle had been just placed on Sheila's body because it wouldn't have landed like it had if she'd just shot herself.
I've always wanted to know how DCI " Taff " Jones came to the conclusion that it was a murder/suicide. Just because a weapon appears on a body doesn't always mean that that person had been responsible.

I'll have to re-read about which bullet wounds were contact shots on both June and Neville.

yes good post lookout.did he ever write .or tell any one to explain why he was so adamant if she had been sat up with her back against the cabinet while fireing both shots her body would not have been found face up  and a lot closer to the wall.i do remember you saying you thought the first shot was fired by someone else

[guest7363]

you need to consider that once she was flat her head was at an angle by the bedside table. Had she been shot while in that position the bullet would have gone through her chin and out her upper cheekbone.

Plus had she died sitting up and remained sitting up with a neck wound until someone pulled her. I would expect there to be considerable more blood running down her night dress.

He could have pulled her down straight after shooting her, 1st time?
The second shot had to be his last David, he lined the rifle up accordingly he didn't need the head straight, doesn't matter how the head is positioned it's the positioning of the rifle,  probably turning the rifle upside down, ejecting the shell cases one to left and one to right? 

[sami]

Apart from Bamber perhaps shooting the twins first, supporters have also recently made me reconsider Bamber's WHF entrance options.

As well as the three ground floor windows, Nugs kindly highlighted that Bamber could have got into WHF by using a ladder and going through June and Neville's upstairs bedroom window. And criticised the police for not considering this is how Bamber achieved his entrance.

It's certainly another entrance option for Bamber. However this method of entrance has never been suggested before and I believe he entered through the downstairs bathroom window.

well if he's going to get a ladder than we may also have to consider the chimney as an entrie point

[Romeo]

I really don't understand your theory on hypostasis, But from what I understand Jeremy has to wait around a while before moving the body to get the result your thinking of 

The radio is a Philips 22AR0902

David, you know as well as I do  that hypostasis can start shortly after death.....and last as long as 6/12 hours, JB would not need to wait around!  Actually it could even point to Sheila not being the last one killed, JB could have had other family to kill like the final shots to his mother!

Thank you for the photo of the radio.....I couldn't find it anywhere.

[Adam]

well if he's going to get a ladder than we may also have to consider the chimney as an entrie point

If Father Christmas can do it....

[David1819]

David, you know as well as I do  that hypostasis can start shortly after death.....and last as long as 6/12 hours, JB would not need to wait around!  Actually it could even point to Sheila not being the last one killed, JB could have had other family to kill like the final shots to his mother!

Thank you for the photo of the radio.....I couldn't find it anywhere.

[Romeo]

Livor Mortis....