Why didn't Bamber put the silencer on prior to shooting rabbits ?

[sami]

And her face!  Oh and perhaps David has forgotten so I'll say it again...... Sheila falling onto her front when shot could be the reason Hypostasis set in where it is....it could also be the fact that she was moved after death therefore distributing hypostasis to different parts of her body.

yes romeo it can clearly be seen

[David1819]

And her face!  Oh and perhaps David has forgotten so I'll say it again...... Sheila falling onto her front when shot could be the reason Hypostasis set in where it is....it could also be the fact that she was moved after death therefore distributing hypostasis to different parts of her body.

Once again you ignore the blood stains evidence that shows she sat down sitting up while she was shot. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough last time.

"Dr Vanezis gave evidence that the nature of the blood stains to the nightdress suggested that Sheila Caffell was sitting up when she received both injuries. After the second injury she would have immediately fallen back."


And you say I have selective memory 

[sami]

is it the same dr vanezis who said her hands were free of blood yet you claim a blooded print of sheila's was on the bible.if yes. than you only quote him when it suits you and your theorys

[David1819]

Yes Caroline I agree that Sheila has go thypostasis ! That's why David only shows the 'legs' of Sheila and NOT her right arm/shoulder where you can clearly see hypostasis

You mean her left arm. That's not thypostasis, it does not move upwards it moves downwards via gravity. Besides only her lower right arm is visible and you can see its only barely beginning. Had she been dead for over 7 hours (which is necessary the for JB to be guilty) the thypostasis process would be complete like it is in June Bamber and those other examples I posted.

[David1819]

is it the same dr vanezis who said her hands were free of blood yet you claim a blooded print of sheila's was on the bible.if yes. than you only quote him when it suits you and your theorys

In Vanezis original autopsy notes he writes that her hands are contaminated with blood.

[Romeo]

Once again you ignore the blood stains evidence that shows she sat down sitting up while she was shot. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough last time.

"Dr Vanezis gave evidence that the nature of the blood stains to the nightdress suggested that Sheila Caffell was sitting up when she received both injuries. After the second injury she would have immediately fallen back."

Thanks for making that so clear David..... just what I wanted! ! If you look back on my posts you'll see I agree that Sheila was sitting as stated in reports, although some reports state she was HALF sitting on her side! Of course she fall after receiving the shots to her neck, but if she had fell straight back the blood from her neck would have covered the whole front of her chest and nightdress....but it didn't because she fall on her side! Even her nightdress has ridden up at the back when her legs were straightened.....

[Steve_uk]

In Vanezis original autopsy notes he writes that her hands are contaminated with blood.

This doesn't necessarily mean anything. She could have involuntarily moved her fingers to her throat after Jeremy shot her the first time.  I thought the Defence's case anyway was that Sheila had ritualistically washed after the four murders.

[David1819]

This doesn't necessarily mean anything. She could have involuntarily moved her fingers to her throat after Jeremy shot her the first time.  I thought the Defence's case anyway was that Sheila had ritualistically washed after the four murders.

No she cant because if she touched her neck would there would be a huge smear of blood there

[Romeo]

You mean her left arm. That's not thypostasis, it does not move upwards it moves downwards via gravity. Besides only her lower right arm is visible and you can see its only barely beginning. Had she been dead for over 7 hours (which is necessary the for JB to be guilty) the thypostasis process would be complete like it is in June Bamber and those other examples I posted.

Actually your correct  David, it's not just her right arm but also her left arm as well ( in the attachment I put up ) Thanks for pointing that out!

Regarding Hypostasis...we've been through this before.....I know it moves downwards...( sheila's shoulders and one side of her face were on the floor until turned over.... but checkout what happens if the body is moved before hypostasis has settled!  Now you well know that livor mortis can take between 6/12 hours before it reach's maximum.... Livor Moris and hypostasis ...same thing.

By the way, do you know the make of the radio on the kitchen table?

[Romeo]

No she cant because if she touched her neck would there would be a huge smear of blood there

But there is a smear on her neck! Only you thought it was from the rifle.

[David1819]

Thanks for making that so clear David..... just what I wanted! ! If you look back on my posts you'll see I agree that Sheila was sitting as stated in reports, although some reports state she was HALF sitting on her side! Of course she fall after receiving the shots to her neck, but if she had fell straight back the blood from her neck would have covered the whole front of her chest and nightdress....but it didn't because she fall on her side! Even her nightdress has ridden up at the back when her legs were straightened.....

The dress is question makes it difficult to analyse the blood patterns because the fabrics are a loose fit and will move according with body movement.

Based on the photo below. I believe as she fell back the dress began to crease distorting the blood pattern. I also speculate as her head was forced to the side when falling against the bedside table this positions her neck sideways thus allowing blood to spurt in that direction if she had not died instantly.

Had she been wearing a tight fit top like this, It would be allot easier to interpret the blood stains as the fabrics will all stay In place, if you see what I mean.

[David1819]

But there is a smear on her neck! Only you thought it was from the rifle.

That smear is located on the upper shot were the bullet entered her brain. She would not be able to touch that wound after its inflicted.

[David1819]

You mean her left arm. That's not thypostasis, it does not move upwards it moves downwards via gravity. Besides only her lower right arm is visible and you can see its only barely beginning. Had she been dead for over 7 hours (which is necessary the for JB to be guilty) the thypostasis process would be complete like it is in June Bamber and those other examples I posted.

Actually your correct  David, it's not just her right arm but also her left arm as well ( in the attachment I put up ) Thanks for pointing that out!

Regarding Hypostasis...we've been through this before.....I know it moves downwards...( sheila's shoulders and one side of her face were on the floor until turned over.... but checkout what happens if the body is moved before hypostasis has settled!  Now you well know that livor mortis can take between 6/12 hours before it reach's maximum.... Livor Moris and hypostasis ...same thing.

By the way, do you know the make of the radio on the kitchen table?

I really don't understand your theory on hypostasis, But from what I understand Jeremy has to wait around a while before moving the body to get the result your thinking of 

The radio is a Philips 22AR0902

[Adam]

If Sheila was sitting up, leaning against the bedside cabinet when receiving both shots, how did her lower body then move over two feet along the floor when dead ?

Supporters have suggested the police pulled her feet.

Or maybe Mike was right and Sheila was found on the bed. But if Sheila died on the bed, how did her blood end up underneath the bible on the floor ? Supporters have again suggested the police moved the bible. But they couldn't put Sheila's blood on the carpet.

My recent thread has agreed with both supporters, guilters and experts at the 2002 appeal that Sheila was sitting up when receiving the fatal second shot. And that her legs were pulled when dead. It gives reasons why Bamber pulled them, rather than the police.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7802.msg369526.html#msg369526

[lookout]

is it the same dr vanezis who said her hands were free of blood yet you claim a blooded print of sheila's was on the bible.if yes. than you only quote him when it suits you and your theorys

Pathologists should not say one thing and mean another,though it happened in the Ian Tomlinson case and the rogue who'd been acting in the interest of the police,was struck off when the family had intervened.