Second thoughts of the twins being shot first: Shooting order resolved ?

[David1819]

The problem with this research is silencers can be screwed and unscrewed and can still kill I would have thought when not pressed against the victim's neck.

Yes, however you are missing the point. Jeremy was found guilty on the belief that the silencer was on the gun when Sheila's wounds were inflicted. Thus the Jury believed Sheila could not have killed herself because the silencer was found wrapped in a box inside the cupboard. 

[Steve_uk]

Yes, however you are missing the point. Jeremy was found guilty on the belief that the silencer was on the gun when Sheila's wounds were inflicted. Thus the Jury believed Sheila could not have killed herself because the silencer was found wrapped in a box inside the cupboard.

Didn't the CCRC say that had the silencer been on at any stage(for example in the kitchen struggle with Nevill) the chance of Sheila being the perpetrator was next to nil.

[David1819]

Didn't the CCRC say that had the silencer been on at any stage(for example in the kitchen struggle with Nevill) the chance of Sheila being the perpetrator was next to nil.

Yes. Also they said had it never been on there would be real chance Sheila could be the murder.

They rejected the Kodak expert work as "inconclusive" In other words they could not prove Suthurst wrong but found enough reasons to doubt his conclusions.

[guest7363]

Yes. Also they said had it never been on there would be real chance Sheila could be the murder.

They rejected the Kodak expert work as "inconclusive" In other words they could not prove Suthurst wrong but found enough reasons to doubt his conclusions.

Inconclusive can also mean, your results don't prove anything.  Depends what spin you want to put on it?

[Jane]

Yes, however you are missing the point. Jeremy was found guilty on the belief that the silencer was on the gun when Sheila's wounds were inflicted. Thus the Jury believed Sheila could not have killed herself because the silencer was found wrapped in a box inside the cupboard.

Just because he was found guilty on a point which may -or not- be questionable, doesn't mean he ISN'T guilty. It seems to me you'd be prepared to set a guilty man free in the interests of furthering a loop hole -based on work done by someone else- you're insisting is all your own work. According to what you posted on IA, you alone are responsible for this -allegedly- miraculous discovery. What, exactly are you hoping for, David? What form would you like the kudos for it to take? Where is your imagination taking you? Public acknowledgement as the person responsible for the release of -to many- a 5 time killer and child murderer? Film rights? A book deal? An honorary Doctorate?........ God!!!? You're certainly starting to promote yourself as omnipotent.

[sami]

there was no trace of blood in the rifle barrel.no doubt david will come up with some excuse as to why .from flawed testing procedure to some yank in the swamps of america saying contact shots dont leave blood traces in the barrel .and a you tube video to back it up

[lookout]

Your " yanks in the swamps " have more expertise when it comes to murder by gunshot wounds as being  the deciding factor in whether to prosecute or exonerate, as their knowledge is better than ours.

[sami]

Your " yanks in the swamps " have more expertise when it comes to murder by gunshot wounds as being  the deciding factor in whether to prosecute or exonerate, as their knowledge is better than ours.

thats a matter of opinion.mine is not the same as yours

[Adam]

Yes, however you are missing the point. Jeremy was found guilty on the belief that the silencer was on the gun when Sheila's wounds were inflicted. Thus the Jury believed Sheila could not have killed herself because the silencer was found wrapped in a box inside the cupboard.

You don't know why Bamber was found guilty. You were not in the jury room.

It was a long trial, lots of witnesses, including Bamber and lots of forensic and circumstantial evidence which would have been discussed. 

[lookout]

thats a matter of opinion.mine is not the same as yours

My opinion is more logical because of the amount of shootings in the States. How suicide shots look against those of being shot----------a HUGE difference in the two.

[sami]

My opinion is more logical because of the amount of shootings in the States. How suicide shots look against those of being shot----------a HUGE difference in the two.

like what

[lookout]

like what

A bullet will travel in a straight line, though it's unpredictable in its direction,which to my mind the first shot was from someone other than Sheila's own hand, because it hit the jaw-bone and deflected.
The second shot was by her own hand and because it was a low velocity rifle,markings around the area wouldn't be as prominent ( distinct patterns of gas and soot ) even though it was a contact shot,but the muzzle SHOULD have contained skin,flesh and blood.
Also, different weapons can be identified by the type of wound as well as whether that person had died before a second shot was administered.

[sami]

You don't know why Bamber was found guilty. You were not in the jury room.

It was a long trial, lots of witnesses, including Bamber and lots of forensic and circumstantial evidence which would have been discussed.

exactly adam.

[lookout]

Cobblers.

[sami]

Cobblers.

now now lookout.your earlier post i cant understand it.if bullets travel in a straight line.how can their direction be unpredictable