Aftermath, Where is the forensic evidence that Jeremy Bamber killed his family?

[Romeo]

There is a significant reason why he is not guilty.

There is no fully developed post-mortem hypostasis (Lividity) in Sheila's body. Lividity starts to become visible in 2 hours and completes in around 6 hours. These photos were taken when Jeremy was in police custody for over 7 hours. For Jeremy to be guilty, post-mortem hypostasis (Lividity) has to be fully apparent in Sheila as it is June. The fact Lividity is only just barely starting in Sheila shows she died around two hours after these photos were taken. Roughly the exact same time the police broke the door down. Sheila killed herself as the police began breaking down the kitchen door. This made her realise she had no other option but to take her own life.

It does not matter what happened at Jeremy's school, What he allegedly thought of his parents, What mood he was in one particular day at Little Chef, where he went on holiday's or how he liked his eggs on toast. Its IMPOSSIBLE for him to have killed Sheila

No it isn't IMPOSSIBLE!

One thing is for sure either Sheila didn't do anything strenuous before death, such as desperately  struggling with her father as Rigor Mortis would have set in straight away, and David says it hadn't as the police moved her arm.
Physical exertion just before death: When someone dies while engaged in something strenuous, such as exercising or attempting not to drown, rigor mortis can set in at once. This instant onset is sometimes called cadaveric spasm. It happens because at the time of death, the person's muscles were out of oxygen energy and ATP.


OR.... Sheila's arm was moved by police because Rigor Mortis wasn't complete after 9 hours.

Timeline of Rigor Mortis
There are many factors to consider when examining rigor mortis in order to come to any conclusions or findings about a person's death. This is the general timeline that rigor mortis will follow under regular conditions:

0 to 8 Hours: The body starts to stiffen, but is still movable
8 to 12 Hours: Muscles become completely stiff
12 to 24 Hours: Muscles stay stiff
24 to 36 Hours: Stiffness dissipates and muscles become flexible

[Steve_uk]

It suggests to me that they weren't long dead(a matter of minutes) before he telephoned Julie to let her know just what he had achieved. If this was around 3:12am then we can work on that time to when PC Bird took the photographs of the corpses.

[Romeo]

Steve, JB would also have had to shower and get home. so perhaps a bit longer than a few minutes.

[sami]

No David, I didn't post it because you refused to even attempt to do the same in respect to Sheila. I still have the list!

Like I said, as a detective you would make a smashing traffic warden! 

[David1819]

No it isn't IMPOSSIBLE!

One thing is for sure either Sheila didn't do anything strenuous before death, such as desperately  struggling with her father as Rigor Mortis would have set in straight away, and David says it hadn't as the police moved her arm.
Physical exertion just before death: When someone dies while engaged in something strenuous, such as exercising or attempting not to drown, rigor mortis can set in at once. This instant onset is sometimes called cadaveric spasm. It happens because at the time of death, the person's muscles were out of oxygen energy and ATP.



OR.... Sheila's arm was moved by police because Rigor Mortis wasn't complete after 9 hours.

Timeline of Rigor Mortis
There are many factors to consider when examining rigor mortis in order to come to any conclusions or findings about a person's death. This is the general timeline that rigor mortis will follow under regular conditions:

0 to 8 Hours: The body starts to stiffen, but is still movable
8 to 12 Hours: Muscles become completely stiff
12 to 24 Hours: Muscles stay stiff
24 to 36 Hours: Stiffness dissipates and muscles become flexible

There is no Lividity present. Certainly not where you suggest because gravity does not force blood upwards it pulls it downwards. Your getting mixed up between livor mortis and rigour mortis

No physical altercation happened in the kitchen. The evidence was put there afterwards.
https://youtu.be/yPRd912xv9M?t=9m30s

[Steve_uk]

There was physical evidence of the ceiling light fitting smashed. There were so many people as we're constantly being told traipsing round the Farm it's possible the red paint debris got caught on someone's shoe before the official photographs were taken.

[David1819]

It suggests to me that they weren't long dead(a matter of minutes) before he telephoned Julie to let her know just what he had achieved.

The photographs show Sheila died around the time the police knocked the kitchen door down at 7.30AM.  What part of this do you not understand Steve?

If this was around 3:12am then we can work on that time to when PC Bird took the photographs of the corpses.

DI Cook arrived at WHF at 9.20AM. He is the one that moved Sheila's arm between these photos. They were taken around 7 hours after Police and Jeremy got to the farm

[Caroline]

The photographs show Sheila died around the time the police knocked the kitchen door down at 7.30AM.  What part of this do you not understand Steve?


DI Cook arrived at WHF at 9.20AM. He is the one that moved Sheila's arm between these photos. They were taken around 7 hours after Police and Jeremy got to the farm

What absolute rubbish! When will you learn that your claims mean nothing - the evidence shows nothing of the sort! You can keep saying it as often as you like but it means nothing. What part of THAT do you not understand?

[Romeo]

Oh Dear... David even you agreed that you could just see Livor Mortis in earlier posts.  I'm not confused with Livor Mortis and Rigor Mortis, this shows on Sheila's left shoulder just above the top of her nightdress. there are photo's on this site to prove this, and it's much easier to see than June's as there is so much blood on her legs. The reason that this appears on top of her shoulder is because she was turned over after her shoulder had laid on the floor....hence the blood would have settled underneath her shoulder before she was turned over and faced upwards.

[lookout]

I always thought that Sheila's watch had come assunder and that part of the strap was under the bedside cabinet.

[Romeo]

No Lookout that was Neville's in the kitchen.

[Caroline]

Oh Dear... David even you agreed that you could just see Livor Mortis in earlier posts.  I'm not confused with Livor Mortis and Rigor Mortis, this shows on Sheila's left shoulder just above the top of her nightdress. there are photo's on this site to prove this, and it's much easier to see than June's as there is so much blood on her legs. The reason that this appears on top of her shoulder is because she was turned over after her shoulder had laid on the floor....hence the blood would have settled underneath her shoulder before she was turned over and faced upwards.

Anyone who thinks this woman just died from this picture is just deluded.

[Caroline]

I always thought that Sheila's watch had come assunder and that part of the strap was under the bedside cabinet.

She was wearing her watch.

[David1819]

What absolute rubbish! When will you learn that your claims mean nothing - the evidence shows nothing of the sort! You can keep saying it as often as you like but it means nothing. What part of THAT do you not understand?

The only person that sais rubbish is you.

You expect me to ignore the photographs and forensic science to just blindly follow your poor feeble minded judgement? I think not

[sami]

The photographs show Sheila died around the time the police knocked the kitchen door down at 7.30AM.  What part of this do you not understand Steve?


DI Cook arrived at WHF at 9.20AM. He is the one that moved Sheila's arm between these photos. They were taken around 7 hours after Police and Jeremy got to the farm

are the photos time stamped cause thats the only way your claim about when she died can be proved/your wasteing your time on here ,you should be working for the police as a photo expert