Why Bamber pulled Sheila's feet forward two feet after the fatal shot:

[mike tesko]

This brings me back to the key argument relating to the rifle being at a window, and on the body, or at the window, or on the body?

The same rifle, cannot have been at a window and also have been on Sheila's body at one and the same time,vit had to either have been at a window, or on the body?

We know, that in a one rifle upstairs scenario, that at around 7.15am, the rifle was at an upstairs window. We can therefore safely assume that the rifle at 'that' window, was 'not' on the body', at that precise moment in time...

At about 7.15am, therefore, the rifle was 'not' on the body of Sheila Caffell...

[mike tesko]

This brings me back to the key argument relating to the rifle being at a window, and on the body, or at the window, or on the body?

The same rifle, cannot have been at a window and also have been on Sheila's body at one and the same time,vit had to either have been at a window, or on the body?

We know, that in a one rifle upstairs scenario, that at around 7.15am, the rifle was at an upstairs window. We can therefore safely assume that the rifle at 'that' window, was 'not' on the body', at that precise moment in time...

At about 7.15am, therefore, the rifle was 'not' on the body of Sheila Caffell...

The fact that the rifle at the window (7.15am), was no longer at the window by 10 O'clock when PC Bird photographed 'it' upon Sheila's body, suggests that somebody moved or brought 'that' rifle from the window to the body at sometime after 7.15am...

Only people who had access to the farmhouse after 7.15am, could have moved, or brought the rifle to the body from the bedroom window...

With 100% certainty Jeremy Bamber could not have been one such person. There was as much a chance that PS Saxby, PS Bews, and PC Myall, being that person who moved or who brought the rifle to the body from 'that' window, as there was for Jeremy to have been capable of doing such an undertaking. If we use 7.15am as the benchmark against which we calculate all possibilities, then it is no coincidence that everything points to Bambers innocence in these murders. He never entered the farmhouse that particular morning, he was outside in the company of police at all times, so he could hardly have brought the rifle to his sister's body from the window at any stage after 7.15am, and staged his sister's body to fool police into thinking and accepting that his sister had taken her own life...

The rifle was either at the window or on Sheila's body, when cops entered the farmhouse...

[mike tesko]

If the rifle was with Sheila when police 'found' her body upon entry to the kitchen (7.37 and 7.38am), then how had it got into her possession downstairs in the kitchen from an upstairs window? If such a thing were true, then people would be able to say, that Sheila had taken possession of the rifle from the window upstairs at some point after 7.15am, and brought it downstairs with her intending to use it. But, according to the contents of one firearm officers witness statement, he states that when police entered the kitchen the .22 rifle was not present...

[mike tesko]

Movement of the rifle between a window upstairs and Sheila's body upstairs, that is the key to solving four murders, and Sheila Caffells death. Who was responsible for displacing 'that' rifle, from window to body, and or vice versa, after 7.15am...

[mike tesko]

Movement of the rifle between a window upstairs and Sheila's body upstairs, that is the key to solving four murders, and Sheila Caffells death. Who was responsible for displacing 'that' rifle, from window to body, and or vice versa, after 7.15am...

As I say, it wasn't Jeremy Bamber. It wasn't PS Saxby. It wasn't PS Bews. It wasn't PC Myall...

If it was Sheila then obviously she had still been very much alive at 7.15am, and afterwards. But if it wasn't Sheila, then what?

[mike tesko]

As I say, it wasn't Jeremy Bamber. It wasn't PS Saxby. It wasn't PS Bews. It wasn't PC Myall...

If it was Sheila then obviously she had still been very much alive at 7.15am, and afterwards. But if it wasn't Sheila, then what?

What we do then is, we work systematically through every person who entered and exited whf between 7.30am, until 10 O'clock, until we pinpoint the person, or persons who did move or bring the rifle from an upstairs window to Sheila Caffells body...

[mike tesko]

A starting point for this exercise, would be that at some stage after 7.15am when Jeapes spotted the rifle at an upstairs window, that Sheila took possession of the rifle in question and eventually shot and killed herself...

[mike tesko]

A starting point for this exercise, would be that at some stage after 7.15am when Jeapes spotted the rifle at an upstairs window, that Sheila took possession of the rifle in question and eventually shot and killed herself...

Set against this, the two scenarios of radio message log versus witness statement version of events regarding body count downstairs and upstairs - which account is true?

[mike tesko]

Set against this, the two scenarios of radio message log versus witness statement version of events regarding body count downstairs and upstairs - which account is true?

A massive clue to help people arrive at the correct interpretation comes in the words spoken by firearm officers who were 'instructed'  at a debriefing on that first evening of the police investigation by senior officers, to write up their notes, and reports, along the lines that 'what they had been dealing with was a case of four murders and a suicide'...

[mike tesko]

Now, taking such an approach throws 'a spanner into the works', because no rifle was reportedly found downstairs with either of the two bodies (male and female). In particular, police were known to be dealing with only two bodies by 7.45am, one murder, and a suicide', by that stage. How then could firearm officers write up their notes along the lines that what they had been dealing with was a case of four murders and a suicide', without a gun being found with the assumed suicide in the kitchen? On the other hand, with the displacement of the female suicide body from the kitchen to the bedroom and the staged scene in the bedroom involving the rifle from the window having been brought to the body, one can start to see the potential for firearm officers to adopt the approach to include the body count downstairs and upstairs at the end of play, rather than have to deal with the transition of the body count originally being two bodies downstairs, three up, changing into one body down, four up. Having to try and accommodate these changes in their note writings would merely have served to expose the mistakes that were made during the firearm operation, which but for the grace of God, could have resulted in police officers being shot at, and even killed...

[mike tesko]

Cops didn't want to arrest Jeremy, or charge him with the murders, except for an over zealous 'DS 'Stan' Jones, who took an early dislike to Jeremy...

[mike tesko]

The absolute truth of the matter, is that the body count downstairs and upstairs changed at around 8.30am that morning -  from 2/3, into 1/4...

Get this, when the body count was 2/3 PS Adams was the Commander of the firearm operation, as opposed to PI Montgomery being the Commander when the body count changed, from 2/3 into 1/4...

How utterly bizarre that a supposed firearm operation had two different Commanders, at different times, in the same firearms operation?

[mike tesko]

The absolute truth of the matter, is that the body count downstairs and upstairs changed at around 8.30am that morning -  from 2/3, into 1/4...

Get this, when the body count was 2/3 PS Adams was the Commander of the firearm operation, as opposed to PI Montgomery being the Commander when the body count changed, from 2/3 into 1/4...

How utterly bizarre that a supposed firearm operation had two different Commanders, at different times, in the same firearms operation?

rifle observed resting against upstairs window prior to entry by firearm officers

7.30am

COMMANDER Adams
no rifle in kitchen
'the body of one dead male, and one dead female found on entry to kitchen '(7.37am)
'one dead male, one dead female' (7.38am)
'can you contact your police surgeon, and Coroner's officer, regarding two bodies, one male, one female' (7.42am)
'can you come into office police are dealing with an incident at whf, involving a murder and a suicide' (7.45am)
'after a thorough search of the premises, a further three bodies found upstairs. Five dead in total' (8.10am)

8.30am

COMMANDER Montgomery
rifle at window brought to body
'Ralph Bamber downstairs in kitchen'
'June Bamber and Sheila Caffell in main bedroom'
Daniel and Nicholas Caffell in adjoining bedroom'...

later that evening at a debriefing, senior officers gave following instruction to junior officers

'make sure you write your notes up and your reports along the lines that what we were dealing with was four murders and a suicide'...

[mike tesko]

rifle observed resting against upstairs window prior to entry by firearm officers

7.30am

COMMANDER Adams
no rifle in kitchen
'the body of one dead male, and one dead female found on entry to kitchen '(7.37am)
'one dead male, one dead female' (7.38am)
'can you contact your police surgeon, and Coroner's officer, regarding two bodies, one male, one female' (7.42am)
'can you come into office police are dealing with an incident at whf, involving a murder and a suicide' (7.45am)
'after a thorough search of the premises, a further three bodies found upstairs. Five dead in total' (8.10am)

8.30am

COMMANDER Montgomery
rifle at window brought to body
'Ralph Bamber downstairs in kitchen'
'June Bamber and Sheila Caffell in main bedroom'
Daniel and Nicholas Caffell in adjoining bedroom'...

later that evening at a debriefing, senior officers gave following instruction to junior officers

'make sure you write your notes up and your reports along the lines that what we were dealing with was four murders and a suicide'...

Whilst PS Adams was the Commander, the female body referred to in the kitchen, was the suicide mentioned by 'Linda' in the control room when she contacted 'DS Davidson' at his home at 7.45am, and requested him to come into the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, a murder and a suicide'. These two bodies could only be reference to the bodies of Ralph and Sheila, where Ralph's death was referred to as a murder, and Sheila's death being referred to as a suicide...

June Bambers death could not have been described as a suicide...

There were only two female bodies amongst the five victims...

The bodies were found in the following order, Ralph (a murder), Sheila (a suicide), June (a murder), Daniel (a murder), and Nicholas (a murder) according to the police radio message log contents. But if the witness statement version of events is relied upon, the order in which Sheila and June's bodies were found, are reversed, so that Ralph's body (a murder) was found first, June's body (a murder) was found second, then Sheila's body (a suicide) found thirdly, followed by the deaths of the twin boys (both murders)...

Now, the interesting thing in so far as the witness statement version of events, is that only one body was supposedly found downstairs, that being a male body, the body of Ralph Bamber. The second body that the firearm officers come upon is June Bambers body which was just inside the entrance to the main bedroom, she had been shot a total of 7 times...

Hardly likely then, that June's death could have been described as a suicide?

Next, came the discovery of Sheila's body in the same bedroom. Hers being the third body that was found, it being correctly interpreted as a suicide. But before the discovery of Sheila's body, there would have had to be reported two murders, then a suicide. But, as we know, independent messages were passed from the scene at 7.42am, for the police surgeon, and the Coroner's officer to be contacted regarding the discovery of two bodies, one male, and a female...

We know that the first two bodies referred to, involved one dead male, and one dead female. We know that police were talking in terms of one of these deaths having been a murder, whilst the second death was being talked about in terms of it having been a suicide - now, if June Bamber was the second body found her death could not be described as it having been regarded as a suicide...

[mike tesko]

Whilst PS Adams was the Commander, the female body referred to in the kitchen, was the suicide mentioned by 'Linda' in the control room when she contacted 'DS Davidson' at his home at 7.45am, and requested him to come into the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, a murder and a suicide'. These two bodies could only be reference to the bodies of Ralph and Sheila, where Ralph's death was referred to as a murder, and Sheila's death being referred to as a suicide...

June Bambers death could not have been described as a suicide...

There were only two female bodies amongst the five victims...

The bodies were found in the following order, Ralph (a murder), Sheila (a suicide), June (a murder), Daniel (a murder), and Nicholas (a murder) according to the police radio message log contents. But if the witness statement version of events is relied upon, the order in which Sheila and June's bodies were found, are reversed, so that Ralph's body (a murder) was found first, June's body (a murder) was found second, then Sheila's body (a suicide) found thirdly, followed by the deaths of the twin boys (both murders)...

Now, the interesting thing in so far as the witness statement version of events, is that only one body was supposedly found downstairs, that being a male body, the body of Ralph Bamber. The second body that the firearm officers come upon is June Bambers body which was just inside the entrance to the main bedroom, she had been shot a total of 7 times...

Hardly likely then, that June's death could have been described as a suicide?

Next, came the discovery of Sheila's body in the same bedroom. Hers being the third body that was found, it being correctly interpreted as a suicide. But before the discovery of Sheila's body, there would have had to be reported two murders, then a suicide. But, as we know, independent messages were passed from the scene at 7.42am, for the police surgeon, and the Coroner's officer to be contacted regarding the discovery of two bodies, one male, and a female...

We know that the first two bodies referred to, involved one dead male, and one dead female. We know that police were talking in terms of one of these deaths having been a murder, whilst the second death was being talked about in terms of it having been a suicide - now, if June Bamber was the second body found her death could not be described as it having been regarded as a suicide...

Here layeth the problem...

The first two bodies found were, a male body, and a female body. These first two bodies had been reported as a murder, and a suicide (independantly), yet although Ralphs death could certainly be looked upon as a murder, Junes death could not possibly be looked upon as a suicide...