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[Caroline]

Carrying a lifeless body makes the body slump a bit like the photo below, Then a lot of blood would run down her forehead onto her hair. Plus Jeremy would smudge allot of the blood streams and as you can see they are untouched


Plus a dead body Is very difficult to lift

Did I say she was dead? Or that she was carried any great distance?  Also, I don't think he lifted her like that - however, the blood goes passed her eye and into her hairline.

You can't get passed the fact that blood came DOWN her nose, then somehow went back UP her face. Blood can't flow up her face unless her head was tilted back!!

[Caroline]

It's no excuse,it's the law of gravity.

That blood flows up? Think you'll find that is the opposite to the law of gravity!! 

[Adam]

thats not where i think jb had his left arm.how do you explain the huge amount of blood on the right of sheila's nightie

This is how I believe he would have lifted her. Certainly across the main bedroom. 

It wouldn't be hard to  sweep a light,  standing person off her feet and carry her a few feet. Sheila would be half asleep and not expecting this.

There is no possibility of Sheila already being awake and walking around the main bedroom prior to Bamber returning upstairs. There was none of June's blood on her hands or feet.

[Steve_uk]

If you've ever known a person with schizophrenia with all the symptoms of vacant stare, not being with it, let alone Sheila's natural gullible unassuming personality it's all too possible that she was led to her death like a lamb to the slaughter in those last few seconds by a Jeremy with malice aforethought and verisimilitude of a suicide.

[David1819]

Did I say she was dead? Or that she was carried any great distance?  Also, I don't think he lifted her like that - however, the blood goes passed her eye and into her hairline.

You can't get passed the fact that blood came DOWN her nose, then somehow went back UP her face. Blood can't flow up her face unless her head was tilted back!!

Its Purge Fluid mixed with blood from the wounds.

What is Purge Fluid?

This is a putrid, reddish-brown fluid with a very foul smell that can emerge from the oral and nasal passages. It is easily mistaken as a brain injury, assault or just simple blood. It emerges as a result of the gases forming throughout the body. When gas formation occurs in the stomach and intestines, the abdomen can become tense and distended. Subsequently, the increase in abdominal pressure causes a purge of foul, blood-tinged fluid from the mouth, vagina and nose. A similar feces-mixed fluid will also emerge from the rectum

[lookout]

That blood flows up? Think you'll find that is the opposite to the law of gravity!! 

It would flow up if there'd been movement----she'd obviously tilted back after the jolt of the shot.

[Caroline]

Its Purge Fluid mixed with blood from the wounds.

What is Purge Fluid?

This is a putrid, reddish-brown fluid with a very foul smell that can emerge from the oral and nasal passages. It is easily mistaken as a brain injury, assault or just simple blood. It emerges as a result of the gases forming throughout the body. When gas formation occurs in the stomach and intestines, the abdomen can become tense and distended. Subsequently, the increase in abdominal pressure causes a purge of foul, blood-tinged fluid from the mouth, vagina and nose. A similar feces-mixed fluid will also emerge from the rectum

I'm not talking about what it is (for which you are making yet another assumption) - I am talking about the flow. Blood, or purge or tomato sauce, can't run in UP unless her head was tilted back.

[lookout]

It's only one line of blood,not a mass.

[sami]

This is how I believe he would have lifted her. Certainly across the main bedroom. 

It wouldn't be hard to  sweep a light,  standing person off her feet and carry her a few feet. Sheila would be half asleep and not expecting this.

There is no possibility of Sheila already being awake and walking around the main bedroom prior to Bamber returning upstairs. There was none of June's blood on her hands or feet.

adam,i think the arm was higher up to support the neck and tuck it into his body.her neck was only in that position for a second or two,hence the large pool of blood on the right side of her nightie

[Steve_uk]

We did speculate as to whether the Police attempted CPR.

[Caroline]

It would flow up if there'd been movement----she'd obviously tilted back after the jolt of the shot.

That doesn't explain it lookout.

[Caroline]

We did speculate as to whether the Police attempted CPR.

Sorry Steve - I have always thought that suggestion was ridiculous.

[sami]

It's only one line of blood,not a mass.

what has amount got to do with it.lookout

[Caroline]

what has amount got to do with it.lookout

The fact that it's there shows her head was tilted back - the amount means nothing.

[Adam]

adam,i think the arm was higher up to support the neck and tuck it into his body.her neck was only in that position for a second or two,hence the large pool of blood on the right side of her nightie

He would have carried her before she was shot.

Although there was a suggestion by a poster on another forum he shot her once when in bed. Then carried her to his chosen position. Which I also believe was possible.