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[Caroline]

But given Sheila and her mother's relationship I can't see this happening in practice. Besides there were all Sheila's cosmetics and paraphernalia arrayed on the spare bed.

I don't think they hated each other Steve and if it were simply for practical reasons, I don't see why not. It's a massive bed and the big pink bear would have separated them. She wasn't moving into the main bedroom so would possibly have used the other room to keep her stuff.

[sami]

I don't think they hated each other Steve and if it were simply for practical reasons, I don't see why not. It's a massive bed and the big pink bear would have separated them. She wasn't moving into the main bedroom so would possibly have used the other room to keep her stuff.

i agree with that caroline,and as you said before could also explain the empty cartridge cases by the bedroom door and neville being able to get to the kitchen,because he was never in the bedroom,also the blooded handprint on sheila's nightie if its junes than she could have made it on a drugged or asleep sheila who was on the bed next to june

[sami]

ive always wondered how jb got her into the master bedroom,maybe she was already there.the blood trail from mouth to eye shows her head had been tipped back as if been picked up with both arms by someone

[maggie]

ive always wondered how jb got her into the master bedroom,maybe she was already there.the blood trail from mouth to eye shows her head had been tipped back as if been picked up with both arms by someone

I do think many people are attracted to the various conundrums of the case and that is what holds their interest whether they believe JB guilty or innocent. 

[sami]

I do think many people are attracted to the various conundrums of the case and that is what holds their interest whether they believe JB guilty or innocent.

very true maggie.i know we are talking with hindsight,but ep investigation has only mudded the waters.as they say on x files,the truth is out there

[maggie]

very true maggie.i know we are talking with hindsight,but ep investigation has only mudded the waters.as they say on x files,the truth is out there

[Caroline]

ive always wondered how jb got her into the master bedroom,maybe she was already there.the blood trail from mouth to eye shows her head had been tipped back as if been picked up with both arms by someone

Doesn't it though! 

[David1819]

ive always wondered how jb got her into the master bedroom,maybe she was already there.the blood trail from mouth to eye shows her head had been tipped back as if been picked up with both arms by someone

No. If laying head down The mouth is more elevated than the cheeks and the eyes, and the blood can pour downwards in several directions . One way is down towards the eyes like the blood from the nostril.

You can see more blood has come out on one side of the mouth that the other.  Plus if she was picked up it would cause allot more blood to flow in that direction plus it would make the streams down the side of her face flow differently while she was raised. If that makes sense

[Caroline]

No. If laying head down The mouth is more elevated than the cheeks and the eyes, and the blood can pour downwards in several directions . One way is down towards the eyes like the blood from the nostril.

You can see more blood has come out on one side of the mouth that the other.  Plus if she was picked up it would cause allot more blood to flow in that direction plus it would make the streams down the side of her face flow differently while she was raised. If that makes sense

Uh huh 

[sami]

No. If laying head down The mouth is more elevated than the cheeks and the eyes, and the blood can pour downwards in several directions . One way is down towards the eyes like the blood from the nostril.

You can see more blood has come out on one side of the mouth that the other.  Plus if she was picked up it would cause allot more blood to flow in that direction plus it would make the streams down the side of her face flow differently while she was raised. If that makes sense

i see what you mean david,but the blood has to come up the nostril first and fall back towards the eye,also why did it not run the same way as the blood from the mouth 'sideways'.

[lookout]

Sheila may have moved/tilted her head herself before she died. Her mouth would have been full of blood to have made her bawk,leaving the running blood to find its own level. This part of the reflex ( choking ) would have just about been functioning before brain death. Many people "cough up" before dying and Sheila would have had an overflow of blood for it to have run down either side of her face and she'd have been in a dorsal position for that to have happened and not necessarily moved.

[David1819]

i see what you mean david,but the blood has to come up the nostril first and fall back towards the eye,also why did it not run the same way as the blood from the mouth 'sideways'.

It makes no sense what so ever for Jeremy to carry her to that spot.

Plus there is no known blood staining to suggest this happened

[maggie]

Sheila may have moved/tilted her head herself before she died. Her mouth would have been full of blood to have made her bawk,leaving the running blood to find its own level. This part of the reflex ( choking ) would have just about been functioning before brain death. Many people "cough up" before dying and Sheila would have had an overflow of blood for it to have run down either side of her face and she'd have been in a dorsal position for that to have happened and not necessarily moved.

I agree lookout, of course much of the blood would have run down her throat if she was lying prone on the floor.  It is possible she may even have vomited fresh blood at some point, maybe the cause of the large amount of blood under her right arm.

[David1819]

I agree lookout, of course much of the blood would have run down her throat if she was lying prone on the floor.  It is possible she may even have vomited fresh blood at some point, maybe the cause of the large amount of blood under her right arm.

It's the purging of Fluid from the abdominal pressure plus the fact she has a bullet through her lower mouth into her brain will make the purging fluid even more bloody

[Caroline]

i see what you mean david,but the blood has to come up the nostril first and fall back towards the eye,also why did it not run the same way as the blood from the mouth 'sideways'.

Yes, it ran DOWN her nose then defied gravity and ran UP her face