Who sowed the seeds

[JackiePreece]

I certainly do back up Caroline on this, I remember she was becoming more and more unsure about JB's innocence in her own mind.  I remember her pming me about it and it was quite a surprise to me at that time as it was for so many others later.  Then I became ill and I wasn't really on the forum for quite a long time.  It was during this time that Caroline and April both became convinced that he was guilty.  Over time without any persuasion or input from anyone else, I too started to believe in his guilt.

It was a slow process for me as well, I had believed he was innocent since back in 1985 and was shocked when he went to prison but my own life took over.    I found the forum in about 2012 and was a definite 'innocent' supporter for at least another 2 years. 

It was really hard for me to admit that he may be guilty because I had argued so hard and made so many friends on the forum who still believed in his innocence but eventually I had to let go and accept that Jeremy Bamber probably is guilty.

As a mod I have to read every post written on the forum, I have never read anything recently which can convince me again that he is innocent, some supporters write excellent posts but imo there's nothing new, some do make me question for a short while but I always revert to guilt.





I hope I'm not mistaken and Jeremy Bamber is innocent because for an innocent man to spend over 30 years in prison is horrendous and unforgivable but I can't believe in conspiracy theories which don't hold water.  I don't understand why the police would frame him in the first place, what reason could there be? 



Exactly Maggie you don't know do you? 

[maggie]

I certainly do back up Caroline on this, I remember she was becoming more and more unsure about JB's innocence in her own mind.  I remember her pming me about it and it was quite a surprise to me at that time as it was for so many others later.  Then I became ill and I wasn't really on the forum for quite a long time.  It was during this time that Caroline and April both became convinced that he was guilty.  Over time without any persuasion or input from anyone else, I too started to believe in his guilt.

It was a slow process for me as well, I had believed he was innocent since back in 1985 and was shocked when he went to prison but my own life took over.    I found the forum in about 2012 and was a definite 'innocent' supporter for at least another 2 years. 

It was really hard for me to admit that he may be guilty because I had argued so hard and made so many friends on the forum who still believed in his innocence but eventually I had to let go and accept that Jeremy Bamber probably is guilty.

As a mod I have to read every post written on the forum, I have never read anything recently which can convince me again that he is innocent, some supporters write excellent posts but imo there's nothing new, some do make me question for a short while but I always revert to guilt.





I hope I'm not mistaken and Jeremy Bamber is innocent because for an innocent man to spend over 30 years in prison is horrendous and unforgivable but I can't believe in conspiracy theories which don't hold water.  I don't understand why the police would frame him in the first place, what reason could there be? 



Exactly Maggie you don't know do you?

I have never said I am absolutely certain Jackie, I am open to persuasion but I haven't found anything yet to persuade me.  As far as I can see and from all I have read I have come to believe Jeremy Bamber is guilty but all things are possible, I am aware of that.

[JackiePreece]

As I said you don't know

[maggie]

As I said you don't know

That's fine Jackie, it's not a competition and I have nothing to gain from JB being guilty, no point to prove. 

I cannot help the fact that I am no longer convinced by the arguments I used to believe but I believe everyone has a right to their own opinions and have never fallen out with anyone because they had a different point of view to me.

Let's just say I am neutral because that is the way I think when I'm modding the forum.

[Caroline]

As I said you don't know

I think we can be pretty sure!

[Adam]

Ha Ha I was joking Adam, because you always take credit for turning posters towards guilty, but you do put up some good arguments and you help keep the forum going.

Not sure how Susan changed you from innocent to guilty. She was a supporter when posting.

As I said in reply 89,  everyone has given different reasons for stance changes. Or refused to give a reason at all.

[JackiePreece]

I have never said I am absolutely certain Jackie, I am open to persuasion but I haven't found anything yet to persuade me.  As far as I can see and from all I have read I have come to believe Jeremy Bamber is guilty but all things are possible, I am aware of that.

I don't understand why the police would frame him in the first place, what reason could there be?

Maggie I am sure you have seen the film In the name of the Father and if not I urge you to watch it

In the Guildford Four Case the police witheld a file (the file had written on DO NOT SHOW TO THE DEFENCE) which showed numerous people in this case were innocent

Why do you think the police framed these innocent people and ruined there lives
What justification could there have been

I am really interested in your answer

[JackiePreece]

The Guildford Four were falsely convicted of the bombings in October 1975
The Guildford Four spent 15 years in prison

During this time the WHF murders happened

[Stephanie]

The Guildford Four were falsely convicted of the bombings in October 1975
The Guildford Four spent 15 years in prison

During this time the WHF murders happened

The WHF murders had no links to what was going on in Ireland at the time Jackie. There are not connected.

[Stephanie]

I don't understand why the police would frame him in the first place, what reason could there be?

Maggie I am sure you have seen the film In the name of the Father and if not I urge you to watch it

In the Guildford Four Case the police witheld a file (the file had written on DO NOT SHOW TO THE DEFENCE) which showed numerous people in this case were innocent

Why do you think the police framed these innocent people and ruined there lives
What justification could there have been

I am really interested in your answer

Instead of asking Maggie, or others. Why don't you read up about the Guildford 4 case and see the reasons why they were fitted up for yourself. It's unlikely you will listen to Maggie or indeed anyone for that matter. It's best you see it with your own eyes Jackie.

You are wasting your time making posts like this, as any response you receive wont be good enough for you. You need to find out for yourself. Read about what was going on in Ireland at the time.

[Jane]

Instead of asking Maggie, or others. Why don't you read up about the Guildford 4 case and see the reasons why they were fitted up for yourself. It's unlikely you will listen to Maggie or indeed anyone for that matter. It's best you see it with your own eyes Jackie.

You are wasting your time making posts like this, as any response you receive wont be good enough for you. You need to find out for yourself. Read about what was going on in Ireland at the time.

It sounds to me as if supporters are throwing at us every MoJ (real and 'technicalities') they can scrape up as justification of Jeremy's innocence.

[Stephanie]

It sounds to me as if supporters are throwing at us every MoJ (real and 'technicalities') they can scrape up as justification of Jeremy's innocence.

It's an eye opener isn't it Jane!

[David1819]

The WHF murders had no links to what was going on in Ireland at the time Jackie. There are not connected.

Much like the SH case. They are not connected 

[Caroline]

The Guildford Four were falsely convicted of the bombings in October 1975
The Guildford Four spent 15 years in prison

During this time the WHF murders happened

So? What has that got to do with Bamber?

[Stephanie]

Much like the SH case. They are not connected 

I connect the SH case because Bamber displays the same behaviour patterns both before and after the murders.
I am still waiting for the source of the alleged letter you posted from SH!