Who sowed the seeds

[Caroline]

I certainly do back up Caroline on this, I remember she was becoming more and more unsure about JB's innocence in her own mind.  I remember her pming me about it and it was quite a surprise to me at that time as it was for so many others later.  Then I became ill and I wasn't really on the forum for quite a long time.  It was during this time that Caroline and April both became convinced that he was guilty.  Over time without any persuasion or input from anyone else, I too started to believe in his guilt.

It was a slow process for me as well, I had believed he was innocent since back in 1985 and was shocked when he went to prison but my own life took over.    I found the forum in about 2012 and was a definite 'innocent' supporter for at least another 2 years. 

It was really hard for me to admit that he may be guilty because I had argued so hard and made so many friends on the forum who still believed in his innocence but eventually I had to let go and accept that Jeremy Bamber probably is guilty.

As a mod I have to read every post written on the forum, I have never read anything recently which can convince me again that he is innocent, some supporters write excellent posts but imo there's nothing new, some do make me question for a short while but I always revert to guilt.

I hope I'm not mistaken and Jeremy Bamber is innocent because for an innocent man to spend over 30 years in prison is horrendous and unforgivable but I can't believe in conspiracy theories which don't hold water.  I don't understand why the police would frame him in the first place, what reason could there be? 

I don't believe any poster changes sides from innocent to guilty without real thought, it was fun back in the day when we were all on the same side but you can't just pretend to make other posters happy.

Thank you Maggie - we thrashed a lot of ideas out between ourselves so anyone who thought it was a quick, snap decision or that anyone was bullied into a change is MUCH mistaken. I initially felt a little foolish at having believed he was innocent but like you say, you can't pretend to make others happy.

[David1819]

I certainly do back up Caroline on this, I remember she was becoming more and more unsure about JB's innocence in her own mind.  I remember her pming me about it and it was quite a surprise to me at that time as it was for so many others later.  Then I became ill and I wasn't really on the forum for quite a long time.  It was during this time that Caroline and April both became convinced that he was guilty.  Over time without any persuasion or input from anyone else, I too started to believe in his guilt.

It was a slow process for me as well, I had believed he was innocent since back in 1985 and was shocked when he went to prison but my own life took over.    I found the forum in about 2012 and was a definite 'innocent' supporter for at least another 2 years. 

It was really hard for me to admit that he may be guilty because I had argued so hard and made so many friends on the forum who still believed in his innocence but eventually I had to let go and accept that Jeremy Bamber probably is guilty.

As a mod I have to read every post written on the forum, I have never read anything recently which can convince me again that he is innocent, some supporters write excellent posts but imo there's nothing new, some do make me question for a short while but I always revert to guilt.

I hope I'm not mistaken and Jeremy Bamber is innocent because for an innocent man to spend over 30 years in prison is horrendous and unforgivable but I can't believe in conspiracy theories which don't hold water.  I don't understand why the police would frame him in the first place, what reason could there be? 

I don't believe any poster changes sides from innocent to guilty without real thought, it was fun back in the day when we were all on the same side but you can't just pretend to make other posters happy.

Yet you give no reasons publicly on the forum to justify this position. I was not around when this collective apostasy took place. Nevertheless whatever caused it has taken place behind the cloaks of private messaging with no justisifiable reason given to date. It also seems to coincide with the exact same time Paul Harrison claimed Jeremy was guilty. 

Anyone with a shade of sense can smell a rat. 

[maggie]

Yet you give no reasons publicly on the forum to justify this position. I was not around when this collective apostasy took place. Nevertheless whatever caused it has taken place behind the cloaks of private messaging with no justisifiable reason given to date. It also seems to coincide with the exact same time Paul Harrison claimed Jeremy was guilty. 

Anyone with a shade of sense can smell a rat. 

I clearly said I came to my conclusions by myself, David.  I was not even in touch with Caroline or April when I made the decision.  I had absolutely nothing to do with Paul Harrison.  When I said I was ill and not on the forum I would have thought it would therefore be obvious to eeveryone that I wasn't in any discussions with anyone behind closed doors. 

I was trying to be honest but I should have known my explanation would not be accepted.  I don't need to explain to you or anyone else why my beliefs changed except to say, gradually the arguments for innocence stopped sounding convincing to me.

[maggie]

Yet you give no reasons publicly on the forum to justify this position. I was not around when this collective apostasy took place. Nevertheless whatever caused it has taken place behind the cloaks of private messaging with no justisifiable reason given to date. It also seems to coincide with the exact same time Paul Harrison claimed Jeremy was guilty. 

Anyone with a shade of sense can smell a rat. 

There is no rat, are you accusing me of lying?    Paul Harrison is irrelevant to me, I had nothing to do with him and don't want anything to do with him.
I'm not commenting anymore.

[Jane]

I clearly said I came to my conclusions by myself, David.  I was not even in touch with Caroline or April when I made the decision.  I had absolutely nothing to do with Paul Harrison.  When I said I was ill and not on the forum I would have thought it would therefore be obvious to eeveryone that I wasn't in any discussions with anyone behind closed doors. 

I was trying to be honest but I should have known my explanation would not be accepted.  I don't need to explain to you or anyone else why my beliefs changed except to say, gradually the arguments for innocence stopped sounding convincing to me.

Maggie, you got lumbered with it because, as I have it on ignore, I can't see it unless it's quoted. I fail to see that it's anyone's duty to give public explanations for decisions they arrive at. Perhaps vermin have the ability to xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx.

[Adam]

It's always fascinating who people put on ignore.

I find David's posts a lot more interesting and challenging than Lookout's.

Jan put me on ignore once. And spent the whole time annoncing she had done this.  And responding to my posts whenever someone else quoted them. 

[susan]

I clearly said I came to my conclusions by myself, David.  I was not even in touch with Caroline or April when I made the decision.  I had absolutely nothing to do with Paul Harrison.  When I said I was ill and not on the forum I would have thought it would therefore be obvious to eeveryone that I wasn't in any discussions with anyone behind closed doors. 

I was trying to be honest but I should have known my explanation would not be accepted.  I don't need to explain to you or anyone else why my beliefs changed except to say, gradually the arguments for innocence stopped sounding convincing to me.

Hello Maggie

I can confirm to David and others if they are in doubt that you really only started to doubt Jeremy's innocence lately we have discussed it in depth and innocent/guilty we both gave each other reasons for why we felt as we did that day.   I changed my stance to one of Guilty much sooner than you and since then you know I still have doubts about his guilt but although you accept my views I think you are still in the guilty camp.

[Stephanie]

CRACKING post, Maggie. Well done.

I second that!

[guest7363]

Hello Maggie

I can confirm to David and others if they are in doubt that you really only started to doubt Jeremy's innocence lately we have discussed it in depth and innocent/guilty we both gave each other reasons for why we felt as we did that day.   I changed my stance to one of Guilty much sooner than you and since then you know I still have doubts about his guilt but although you accept my views I think you are still in the guilty camp.

Hello Susie x

[maggie]

Hello Maggie

I can confirm to David and others if they are in doubt that you really only started to doubt Jeremy's innocence lately we have discussed it in depth and innocent/guilty we both gave each other reasons for why we felt as we did that day.   I changed my stance to one of Guilty much sooner than you and since then you know I still have doubts about his guilt but although you accept my views I think you are still in the guilty camp.

Thanks susan, we have both veered at times but it is true you believed in the guilty stance before me, I took much longer to come to terms with it than you. 

I think now I am more definite about his guilt than you are but we both believe everyone has a right to believe what seems right to them. 

I don't think anyone has changed stance due to a conspiracy of any kind.

[guest7363]

There is no rat, are you accusing me of lying?    Paul Harrison is irrelevant to me, I had nothing to do with him and don't want anything to do with him.
I'm not commenting anymore.

Well sad Maggie, the only rat on here is xxx when he grassed xxxxxx up.

[susan]

Hello Susie x

Hello Friend  X

[guest7363]

Hello Friend  X

I must confess it was either you or Adam that changed my view Susie, hope everything is ok will catch up sometime x

[susan]

Thanks susan, we have both veered at times but it is true you believed in the guilty stance before me, I took much longer to come to terms with it than you. 

I think now I am more definite about his guilt than you are but we both believe everyone has a right to believe what seems right to them. 

I don't think anyone has changed stance due to a conspiracy of any kind.

Maggie  I know the two shots to Sheila has been the hardest thing for you to accept and is perhaps the strongest reason why you think JB Guilty.  As you have said everyone should be allowed to their own beliefs without being attacked I must add David does post some great stuff and Roch does too and all makes me think have I got it right then Hartley comes on and makes me think yes.

[susan]

I must confess it was either you or Adam that changed my view Susie, hope everything is ok will catch up sometime x

Justice I remember when we became friends we discussed the case and I think we both convinced each other of his guilt X