Who sowed the seeds

[Caroline]

He'd told CAL anyway ? " More recently " it would have seemed, but " hadn't remembered at the trial ?".
Funny how he forgot a lot of things at trial------------that mattered !!

Just like Jeremy - forgetting all of the times. Funny how he remembers now though eh?

[lookout]

Just like Jeremy - forgetting all of the times. Funny how he remembers now though eh?

It's funnier still that once Jeremy's locked up,everyones memory returns.Convenient or what ?

[buddy]

I think the motive, or influence, Buddy - was financial.

I see where you are coming from Mat, but Jeremy was about to inherit a chunk of money from the will of granny Speakman.

[Caroline]

I see where you are coming from Mat, but Jeremy was about to inherit a chunk of money from the will of granny Speakman.

Said who?

[buddy]

Said who?

Hi Caroline, the Boutflours talked Granny Speakman out of leaving Jeremy of her will.
I think it was in one of tgere statements.

[buddy]

If Bamber needed help, that rules out Sheila as a loan killer.

Who do you think helped Bamber ? A friend, relative or someone he met in the pub ?

How would the accomplice help him ? Only one rifle was needed. One window was needed and everyone was asleep. Bamber would be throwing away a large chunk of his inheritance on someone he didn't need.

I don't think I have ever said that Shiela was the killer

[Caroline]

Hi Caroline, the Boutflours talked Granny Speakman out of leaving Jeremy of her will.
I think it was in one of tgere statements.

He would only have inherited from Mrs Speakman if his mother were dead. Jeremy would have inherited what was left to June.

[Adam]

I don't think I have ever said that Shiela was the killer

Good. I always got the impression from you're posts that you believed Bamber may be innocent.

Who do you believe assisted Bamber with the massacre ?

[sami]

IF Jeremy committed the murders [which I still think was a two person crime] who put the idea into his head?
There are a few people including Julie. For obvious reasons Jeremy cannot say.
It is quite plausible that Julie was in on it.
Some one had to have Influenced JB as he had plenty of times he could done away with Ralph in some sort of farm accident, which are common.
It would of been a huge risk to attack the whole family, as Ralph was a strong man.

jb hoped to catch them all in bed fastasleep.they were in bed but awake hence the outcome without doubt after shooting nb in the face he focused on a screaming jb allowing nb to escape downstairs

[Stephanie]

IF Jeremy committed the murders [which I still think was a two person crime] who put the idea into his head?
There are a few people including Julie. For obvious reasons Jeremy cannot say.
It is quite plausible that Julie was in on it.
Some one had to have Influenced JB as he had plenty of times he could done away with Ralph in some sort of farm accident, which are common.
It would of been a huge risk to attack the whole family, as Ralph was a strong man.

So you still think it was a two man job Buddy? I think these theories are far fetched imo and I suggest you have been listening to too many rumours.

It's clear Jeremy committed these murders on his own just as SH committed his crimes alone. No one else was involved. Once you are able to get to this point I think you'll finally crack it.

[lookout]

But Nevill was a shadow of his former self those past few months, so much so that Barbara Wilson inquired if he had cancer. There was no point just doing away with Nevill as with him only out of the way his estate would pass to June.

Steve,Neville had all the worries of the world on his shoulders at that time. His wife had been seeing her GP for a long time leading up to the tragedy.There was the worry of Sheila's failing health. The futures of the twins. The " secret " of the land sale which he hadn't told to his immediate family. The fight outside the pub where he'd received a bash from his relative ( we don't know why but it must have been an intense situation for that to have happened )
He didn't need a busy body like BW questioning him either. There must have been a thousand and one things going on in the man's mind which does tend to cloud and also sap any strength that you could ever muster.
It wouldn't have made any difference if Neville had been at full strength because when you have a gun pointed at you,there's little you can do,except sit tight and hope it's not used,but by then it had been, and was too late against someone who had obviously been in a frenzy.

[Steve_uk]

Steve,Neville had all the worries of the world on his shoulders at that time. His wife had been seeing her GP for a long time leading up to the tragedy.There was the worry of Sheila's failing health. The futures of the twins. The " secret " of the land sale which he hadn't told to his immediate family. The fight outside the pub where he'd received a bash from his relative ( we don't know why but it must have been an intense situation for that to have happened )
He didn't need a busy body like BW questioning him either. There must have been a thousand and one things going on in the man's mind which does tend to cloud and also sap any strength that you could ever muster.
It wouldn't have made any difference if Neville had been at full strength because when you have a gun pointed at you,there's little you can do,except sit tight and hope it's not used,but by then it had been, and was too late against someone who had obviously been in a frenzy.

Well we'll have to disagree on who the perpetrator was but they certainly had the element of surprise. I think Barbara Wilson was an occasional confidante for Nevill and probably knew more than she let on. He did ask her why she hadn't come that day to help(it was her day off) so I don't think there was any animosity generally between them.

[lookout]

Well we'll have to disagree on who the perpetrator was but they certainly had the element of surprise. I think Barbara Wilson was an occasional confidante for Nevill and probably knew more than she let on. He did ask her why she hadn't come that day to help(it was her day off) so I don't think there was any animosity generally between them.

That's okay by me Steve. We've pretty well always agreed to disagree----------without "animosity ",which is good.

If Neville hadn't remembered that it was BW's day off,then it proves the extent of his worried life. Afterall,he wasn't an old man who was " losing it ".

[Steve_uk]

That's okay by me Steve. We've pretty well always agreed to disagree----------without "animosity ",which is good.

If Neville hadn't remembered that it was BW's day off,then it proves the extent of his worried life. Afterall,he wasn't an old man who was " losing it ".

You may be right, but I was pointing out that whatever was going on inside the house at the time it was not the act of ringing by Barbara which had put Nevill in such a foul mood.

[lookout]

You may be right, but I was pointing out that whatever was going on inside the house at the time it was not the act of ringing by Barbara which had put Nevill in such a foul mood.

Something had certainly got to Neville,that's for sure. He was probably thinking what a waste of money he'd splashed out on his kids-----------and for what. One was a lazy lump and the other had caused a lot of heartache. He'd have been within his rights to have felt like that.
Then the time when he thought he was helping the relatives out and got bashed in the process.