What makes Bamber innocent?

[maggie]

For me its the similarity in both size and shape that has me believe its caused by the barrel of the gun.

What are the odds of it being caused by something same size and same shape? and not during the murders?

Its also possible to inflict those wounds with the pajama top on. fabrics don't react to heat like skin does and the top could be flexible. An Iron does not burn a top so why would a hot gun barrel burn a top/

I am not claiming the burn marks were not caused by the gun barrel, rather that I find the explanation it was done to test for signs of life difficult to believe.... again that doesn't mean it didn't happen that way.
If an iron is hot enough it will scorch cloth causing brown scorch marks.
Imo a barrell end hot enough to cause such burns to the body would definitely have at the least scorched any cotton clothing covering the burned skin, however because of the depth of the burns on the flesh the material would more likely have been burned through.

[lebaleb]

I am not claiming the burn marks were not caused by the gun barrel, rather that I find the explanation it was done to test for signs of life difficult to believe.... again that doesn't mean it didn't happen that way.
If an iron is hot enough it will scorch cloth causing brown scorch marks.
Imo a barrell end hot enough to cause such burns to the body would definitely have at the least scorched any cotton clothing covering the burned skin, however because of the depth of the burns on the flesh the material would more likely have been burned through.

I agree totally. If someone has a fractured skull and is unconscious, then they wouldn't necessarily even feel being burned.
Vanezis obviously doesn't do much ironing otherwise he would know how quickly one can scorch material.
Imo I think it may have been the poker that was used.

[lookout]

I'd said the poker years ago too as nobody in their right mind heats the end of a rifle over the fire,nor does it get red-hot after firing,well certainly not as hot as to cause superficial burns as shown. Whereas a poker if it's been left in the heat will retain that heat.

Blimey,JB hadn't hated his parents that much to have inflicted such injury,I don't care what anyone says.
Only someone deranged and unbalanced would have even thought of such harm to another human .JB hadn't/hasn't got it in him.

Now if JB had planted JM when she threw things at him and put a pillow over his face, I would have questioned his retaliative behaviour. JM couldn't show any injuries caused by violence in their 18 month courtship. Speaks for itself really.

[David1819]

I'd said the poker years ago too as nobody in their right mind heats the end of a rifle over the fire

But Lookout the person who you believe was responsible was not in her right mind at the time

[lookout]

But Lookout the person who you believe was responsible was not in her right mind at the time

I know that David and I can't stress enough that it was she and not Jeremy who'd committed that horrendous crime.

[lebaleb]

I'm not sure but I would have thought heating up the rifle would have damaged the patina as it does if you heat up a knife.

[lookout]

That's right,lebaleb. It would have shown discolouration.

Not enough attention was given to the " fresh " graze on one of the silencers either as I imagine that this sort of thing occurs when the handler misuses it,but can't imagine how a " bona-fide " owner/handler would cause such a visible graze, or with what and how a non-handler would have caused it.
It's the smaller/finer details which were omitted in this case.

[Jane]

I said no one 'off' the board. Meaning away from the board.

Three people posted about Sheila sleeping with Neville. You, Jan and Susan. I quoted you're posts after people wrongly accused me of bringing it up.

You then panicked and said I should read you're posts and realise what you really meant.

I am sorry what you write is taken at face value.  You are not important enough for anyone to second guess you're posts. Even though you used to send nice letters to famous murderer Jeremy Bamber, in you're passionate Bamerette days.

I have NEVER suggested that Sheila slept with Nevill but this isn't the first time -in order to deflect blame from yourself?- you've stated someone has said something they haven't said.

As far as importance goes, by dint of the fact that you go out of your way to present yourself as a xxxxx, xxxxxx and xxxxx xxxxxxx who delights in putting others down, you're probably at the bottom of the pile.

[Caroline]

I said no one 'off' the board. Meaning away from the board.

Three people posted about Sheila sleeping with Neville. You, Jan and Susan. I quoted you're posts after people wrongly accused me of bringing it up.

You then panicked and said I should read you're posts and realise what you really meant.

I am sorry what you write is taken at face value.  You are not important enough for anyone to second guess you're posts. Even though you used to send nice letters to famous murderer Jeremy Bamber, in you're passionate Bamerette days.

NO ONE EVER suggested that - it came from YOU because you couldn't grasp what was being said (as usual). Find a post where I suggested Sheila slept with Nevill and post the link!

Nice letters? You really are a snide little shxt!

[lookout]

NO ONE EVER suggested that - it came from YOU because you couldn't grasp what was being said (as usual). Find a post where I suggested Sheila slept with Nevill and post the link!

Nice letters?



You really are a snide little shxt!

----------I can go along with that Caroline.

[Jane]

----------I can go along with that Caroline.

We could run a poll on how important/popular members consider Adam to be.

[lookout]

We could run a poll on how important/popular members consider Adam to be.

I'd be banned for my answer.

[Jane]

I'd be banned for my answer.

Or highly commended 

[lookout]

Or highly commended 

Well I suppose my recognition has to start somewhere.

[Adam]

I have NEVER suggested that Sheila slept with Nevill but this isn't the first time -in order to deflect blame from yourself?- you've stated someone has said something they haven't said.

As far as importance goes, by dint of the fact that you go out of your way to present yourself as a xxxxx, xxxxxx and xxxxx xxxxxxx who delights in putting others down, you're probably at the bottom of the pile.

I said Jan. Not Jane. Get you're facts right please.