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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3570 on: July 28, 2016, 04:01:PM »
Tests on pig skin will confirm that the so called 'burn mark's on Ralph's neck' were caused by use of the BSA air rifles barrel being 'pressed into the neck' and the weapon 'discharged' minus a pellet. The air rifle was found on the spiral staircase only feet away from where Ralphs body ended up being photographed with his head in the coal bucket...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3571 on: July 28, 2016, 04:03:PM »
Tests on pig skin will confirm that the so called 'burn mark's on Ralph's neck' were caused by use of the BSA air rifles barrel being 'pressed into the neck' and the weapon 'discharged' minus a pellet. The air rifle was found on the spiral staircase only feet away from where Ralphs body ended up being photographed with his head in the coal bucket...

Sheila's fingerprints were found on the .22 air rifle, and the .22 anshuzt rifle, and the 12 bore shotgun - now that should tell everyone a thing or two...
« Last Edit: July 28, 2016, 04:05:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3572 on: July 28, 2016, 04:15:PM »
.22 BSA air rifle with Sheila's fingerprints on, found on the spiral stair in the kitchen, .22 anshuzt rifle with Sheila's fingerprints on, seen at a first floor window some 15 minutes before armed cops went to the house, then it found its way onto her body in an upstairs bedroom, and then there was the 12 bore shotgun with her fingerprints upon it, found in the gun cupboard in the den...

Sheila handled an awful lot of guns before her death, considering that according to the relatives that 'she didn't know one end of a gun to the other's...
« Last Edit: July 28, 2016, 04:16:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3573 on: July 28, 2016, 04:19:PM »
So, you're saying no one has previously mentioned Sheila sleeping with June? Then how come one of you own posts from last year, refers to it? http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7124.msg336489.html#msg336489

I first mentioned it when we discovered Nevill's slippers in the room Sheila was supposed to be sleeping in. It could be that he slept in Sheila's room and Sheila slept in the main room with June (for reasons already laid out). You then got the whole thing AAF and thought people were suggesting Sheila slept with Nevill - which NO ONE ever suggested.

I said no one 'off' the board. Meaning away from the board.

Three people posted about Sheila sleeping with Neville. You, Jan and Susan. I quoted you're posts after people wrongly accused me of bringing it up.

You then panicked and said I should read you're posts and realise what you really meant.

I am sorry what you write is taken at face value.  You are not important enough for anyone to second guess you're posts. Even though you used to send nice letters to famous murderer Jeremy Bamber, in you're passionate Bamerette days.

« Last Edit: July 28, 2016, 04:28:PM by Adam »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3574 on: July 28, 2016, 04:36:PM »
And then, there was the metal 'end cap' belonging to the muzzle end of the anshuzt rifles barrel - David Boutflour recovered 'it' from the gun cupboard in the den. It was upon this metal ring that red paint from the kitchen aga had been found, something which DS Davidson had commented about in his 'COLP' interviews, when they questioned him about a paint sample, 'RC/1' taken at the scene by 'Ron' Cook on the 8th August. Davidson told 'COLP' that that paint sample ('RC/1') was taken then because of red paint found on the 'end of a guns barrel's found downstairs. When queried by 'COLP' whether he was referring to red paint on the end of a silencer? Davidson responded by saying, 'no, the paint was on the end of a guns barrel'...

The metal ring, which fits onto the threaded barrel end of the anshuzt rifle, had red paint upon it from the aga. Cops must have had possession of it by the 8th August 1985, for 'Ron' Cook to take that ('RC/1') paint sample on the 8th August, but that Cook must have put the guns end cap back in the cupboard prior to the hand back of the farmhouse to relatives on evening of 9th August 1985, to enable David Boutflour to recover it later on...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3575 on: July 28, 2016, 04:40:PM »
How could the guns end cap (metal ring) and a silencer both have been fitted to the same anshuzt rifle so that the end cap and the silencer both made marks on the red painted kitchen aga, during a purported struggle between Ralph Bamber, and his killer?
« Last Edit: July 28, 2016, 04:41:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3576 on: July 28, 2016, 04:45:PM »
For me its the similarity in both size and shape that has me believe its caused by the barrel of the gun.

What are the odds of it being caused by something same size and same shape? and not during the murders?

Its also possible to inflict those wounds with the pajama top on. fabrics don't react to heat like skin does and the top could be flexible. An Iron does not burn a top so why would a hot gun barrel burn a top/

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3577 on: July 28, 2016, 05:07:PM »
For me its the similarity in both size and shape that has me believe its caused by the barrel of the gun.

What are the odds of it being caused by something same size and same shape? and not during the murders?

Its also possible to inflict those wounds with the pajama top on. fabrics don't react to heat like skin does and the top could be flexible. An Iron does not burn a top so why would a hot gun barrel burn a top/

The marks on the left are uniform the ones on the right are not, they aren't even the same size as each other. How would you test to see if someone was dead? Would you automatically think about heating up the rifle  barrel?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3578 on: July 28, 2016, 05:32:PM »
For me its the similarity in both size and shape that has me believe its caused by the barrel of the gun.

What are the odds of it being caused by something same size and same shape? and not during the murders?

Its also possible to inflict those wounds with the pajama top on. fabrics don't react to heat like skin does and the top could be flexible. An Iron does not burn a top so why would a hot gun barrel burn a top/
the first one on the right is not even round,what rifle could have made that.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3579 on: July 28, 2016, 06:08:PM »
the first one on the right is not even round,what rifle could have made that.

A rife pressed at an angle.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3580 on: July 28, 2016, 06:28:PM »
It seems this Dr Caruso knows a thing or two about burns

http://azburncenter.org/our-burn-team/daniel-m--caruso-md-facs

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3581 on: July 28, 2016, 06:36:PM »
It seems this Dr Caruso knows a thing or two about burns

http://azburncenter.org/our-burn-team/daniel-m--caruso-md-facs

He didn't look at any burn, he looked at a photograph which was 'presumed' to be a burn.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3582 on: July 28, 2016, 07:08:PM »
He didn't look at any burn, he looked at a photograph which was 'presumed' to be a burn.

He looked at a photograph and saw what he believed to be a burn

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3583 on: July 28, 2016, 07:29:PM »
He looked at a photograph and saw what he believed to be a burn

I just said that. He saw what had already been surmised to be a burn, doesn't mean it is.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3584 on: July 28, 2016, 07:59:PM »
For me its the similarity in both size and shape that has me believe its caused by the barrel of the gun.

What are the odds of it being caused by something same size and same shape? and not during the murders?

Its also possible to inflict those wounds with the pajama top on. fabrics don't react to heat like skin does and the top could be flexible. An Iron does not burn a top so why would a hot gun barrel burn a top/

I agree with that.

I would have to see how those three burn marks could be inflicted without marking the pyjamas. I doubt that Bamber would risk doing that. He didn't want the burn marks to be an issue as it's obvious Sheila wouldn't be calculated enough to inflict them to check for signs of life.

Anyway it was easy for Bamber to pull Neville's pyjama top up and inflict them. 
« Last Edit: July 28, 2016, 08:00:PM by Adam »
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