What makes Bamber innocent?

[Jane]

Someone would have had to take off the PJ jacket make the burn marks and then put it back on. I think those marks are a red herring.

I can go with that. There's still remains the possibility that he may have had moles/skin tags/blemishes/pre cancerous growths cauterised/frozen off/chemically removed at some point.

[Adam]

To me it just seems like common sense that Bamber burnt Neville's back. Which matches the evidence. There was an aga next to Neville and Bamber chose this way to check for signs of life.

But what do I know ? I always thought the evidence showed Neville was sleeping next to June on the massacre night.

[Adam]

Why would Bamber have to take off Neville's pyjama top ?

Pyjama tops are loose. Not skin tight. It would be easy to pull it up high to the top of the torso.

[Jane]

To me it just seems like common sense that Bamber burnt Neville's back. Which matches the evidence. There was an aga next to Neville and Bamber chose this way to check for signs of life.

But what do I know ? I always thought the evidence showed Neville was sleeping next to June on the massacre night.

It may seem like common sense to you but you can't explain, in any sensible way, how it was done. You ask what do you know. Perhaps you'd care to tell us?

[Adam]

It may seem like common sense to you but you can't explain, in any sensible way, how it was done. You ask what do you know. Perhaps you'd care to tell us?

It was done by Bamber pulling up Neville's pyjama top. Then burning his back. With the help of an aga.

Dr Caroso, the 2002 appeal and even Bamber and David agrees the marks were inflicted on the night. 

But appreciate you, Caroline and Sami will not accept it.

[Jane]

Why would Bamber have to take off Neville's pyjama top ?

Pyjama tops are loose. Not skin tight. It would be easy to pull it up high to the top of the torso.

They weren't flared tops. They were straight. They weren't made of stretchy material. WHY would Jeremy have gone to the bother of pulling it up, when it wouldn't have gone higher than arm pit level and would have needed to be held in position, leaving only one hand free, if the simple alternative was to pull it down from the collar?

[Jane]

It was done by Bamber pulling up Neville's pyjama top. Then burning his back. With the help of an aga.

Dr Caroso, the 2002 appeal and even Bamber and David agrees the marks were inflicted on the night. 

But appreciate you, Caroline and Sami will not accept it.

OK I challenge you to try pulling UP a straight, non stretchy pyjama jacket -or use a shirt- from the waist to get at the neck area.

[maggie]

I have no idea. But me, David, Bamber and Dr Caroso believe they were caused on the massacre night.

Do you have another explanation for Neville's burn marks ?

No I don't have an explanation, I just question the acceptance that the burns were done on the night by either Jeremy or Sheila.  It just seems to be another of those accepted 'facts' which cannot be proven either way and are possibly red herrings leading people up a gum tree 

[maggie]

OK I challenge you to try pulling UP a straight, non stretchy pyjama jacket -or use a shirt- from the waist to get at the neck area.

With due respect to Nevill, Jane your post does conjure up a comic picture.

[sami]

It was done by Bamber pulling up Neville's pyjama top. Then burning his back. With the help of an aga.

Dr Caroso, the 2002 appeal and even Bamber and David agrees the marks were inflicted on the night. 

But appreciate you, Caroline and Sami will not accept it.

no adam i do accept it 'could' have happened.but i also accept it may have nothing to do with the murders.there is a theory he gave june a shot between the eyes to make sure she was dead he could have done the same to neviile.but than we know he liked torturing animals so he might have done

[Jane]

With due respect to Nevill, Jane your post does conjure up a comic picture.

Maggie, Adam seems to hold the thought in his head that if HE believes 'IT' happened, ergo, 'IT' happened but gives no thought as to HOW. If poor Nevill was SO incapacitated, it's doubtful he'd have been sitting up straight -more slumped forward, thus tightening the jacket and making it harder to raise from the waist. I guess it does rather conjure up a comic picture.

[Adam]

Maggie, Adam seems to hold the thought in his head that if HE believes 'IT' happened, ergo, 'IT' happened but gives no thought as to HOW. If poor Nevill was SO incapacitated, it's doubtful he'd have been sitting up straight -more slumped forward, thus tightening the jacket and making it harder to raise from the waist. I guess it does rather conjure up a comic picture.

Neville was face down. His head on a coal scuttle. His back facing Bamber, several feet off the ground. So easy for Bamber to pull his loose pyjama top up.

[Jane]

Neville was face down. His head on a coal scuttle. His back facing Bamber, several feet off the ground. So easy for Bamber to pull his pyjama top up.

 With a body in a bent over position it would have been far harder to pull the jacket up from the waist because it would have tightened around the shoulder area. Had the burns been inflicted around the waist area, the act you describe would have made sense but you can test it out for yourself, can't you?

[Adam]

With a body in a bent over position it would have been far harder to pull the jacket up from the waist because it would have tightened around the shoulder area. Had the burns been inflicted around the waist area, the act you describe would have made sense but you can test it out for yourself, can't you?

I just did.

I put myself in a similar position to Neville and then pulled my shirt up. It easily went up to the top of my shoulder blades. My shirt is certainly tighter than pyjamas would be. It would be even easier for another person to do it, such as Bamber on Neville.

I'm sorry but for me there was no difficulty in Bamber pulling up Neville's top and burning his back. Using the rifle and aga. Neville was in the perfect position and had the perfect top.

Dr Caruso, Bamber and the 2002 appeal agree. Although Bamber claims Sheila did this.

[mike tesko]

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