What makes Bamber innocent?

[lebaleb]

Other that a few chairs and a couple of broken dishes which could easily have been caused by a severely wounded man staggering through the kitchen. What is the "evidence of the fight in the kitchen"?

[Caroline]

Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

Sheila could have crawled inside the gun cupboard and tried to shoot herself. Realising that the gun was too long she unscrewed it and dropped it in the box. Then she became distracted and went up to the bedroom.

Nah! 

[Caroline]

They didn't dismiss it. That is why they resorted to the kitchen/paint evidence as justification for a non referral. And the COA has already made judgement on the paint evidence

2002 Appeal
The sound moderator had on any view been attached to the rifle during the fight with Nevill Bamber in the kitchen. But if Sheila Caffell had committed suicide it must have been removed before she shot herself

Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

Bamber vs CCRC 2012

That there was red paint on the curled end and a mark on the mantelpiece, which, given the other evidence, showed that the silencer must have been on.

The first is the fact that the evidence of Dr Fowler does not grapple with the evidence of the fight in the kitchen and the paint evidence

That question again has resolved into a narrow issue as to whether, when the fatal shot was fired in the kitchen at the father, Mr Bamber senior, the rifle used had on it a silencer, it being accepted that if there was a silencer on it at that time the prospects of the sister being the murderer were nil.

They did David, you put your own emphasis on something that was never there.

[sami]

Also while you're at it,ask yourself why AP had lied about the whereabouts of his rifle and giving two or three locations on its whereabouts at the time of the tragedy.
BTW his rifle and silencer were at WHF during the tragedy----all AP took home was the bolt ! Why lie ??

you always think the worst of people .could it be he just couldnt remember where he left the rifle.its not impossible is it.also he gave different locations for the rifle simply cause if he said it was differenatly in one place and it wasnt found there ,because someone in the bamber household moved it .how would that look

[David1819]

They did David, you put your own emphasis on something that was never there.

That's what your doing not me

[lebaleb]

Nah! 

'Nah!', is not a valid argument.

[Adam]

Anyone who looks beneath the words of the CCRC can see that's not the case at all.

Ironically part of the 2012 new evidence submissions was the marks on Neville being caused with the rifle sans sound moderator, And this you believe yourself thus even you disagree with the CCRC.

Since you believe Dr Caruso's evidence. If Jeremy did cause those marks without a silencer why did he wait 25 years sitting in a gloomy cell for someone else to work it out?

There is already a thread on the rifle burn marks.

Bamber didn't want to bring these up as he knew there was no way Sheila would have the presence of mind to cause them. She was apparently in a psychotic rage. Out of desperation he brought it up 25 years later. Therefore admitting they were caused on the massacre night.

The rifle burn marks were Bamber's calculated way of checking to see if Neville was still alive. Why didn't he do that with everyone ? Thread already created.

[David1819]

There is already a thread on the rifle burn marks.

Bamber didn't want to bring these up as he knew there was no way Sheila would have the presence of mind to cause them. She was apparently in a psychotic rage. Out of desperation he brought it up 25 years later.

The rifle burn marks were Bamber's calculated way of checking to see if Neville was still alive. Why didn't he do that with everyone ? Thread already created.

Yes you have created many threads. what does creating a thread prove? nothing

Why would Jeremy need to check to see if Neville is still alive if he rests motionless shot in head and face five times? There is no rational reason to inflict those marks, This indicates the perpetrator was irrational.

[Adam]

Yes you have created many threads. what does creating a thread prove? nothing

Why would Jeremy need to check to see if Neville is still alive if he rests motionless shot in head and face five times? There is no rational reason to inflict those marks, This indicates the perpetrator was irrational.

You know there is no way Sheila would burn Neville's back. It is another preposturous suggestion.

She didn't have time to do all the things she was supposed to have done, (22 minutes) prior to the police arriving. Now she was supposed to have taken the silencer off to burn Neville's back.

Bamber had either already taken the silencer off when he realised upstairs that he had to. Or took it off to burn Neville's back to check for signs of life. This is just as easy as reloading and shooting Neville again.

The silencer was not cleaned by Bamber for several reasons, the latest strong reason given by NGB last week. It was then put away, for  several more obvious reasons.

[Caroline]

Yes you have created many threads. what does creating a thread prove? nothing

Why would Jeremy need to check to see if Neville is still alive if he rests motionless shot in head and face five times? There is no rational reason to inflict those marks, This indicates the perpetrator was irrational.

It doesn't indicate that at all. There is no proof that the wounds were part of the murders, it's an assumption. If they were burns, the skin would have been red around the mark, regardless if Nevill had already died when they were inflicted. I read a report by an expert who said the same but his name escapes me. I'll post it

[David1819]

It doesn't indicate that at all. There is no proof that the wounds were part of the murders, it's an assumption. If they were burns, the skin would have been red around the mark, regardless if Nevill had already died when they were inflicted. I read a report by an expert who said the same but his name escapes me. I'll post it

I am not 100% convinced the marks were part of the murder either. I am just explaining to Adam why his version of events do not make sense.

[Adam]

I am not 100% convinced the marks were part of the murder either. I am just explaining to Adam why his version of events do not make sense.

Bamber says the burn marks were part of the massacre.  Dr Caruso believes the burn marks were caused on the night.

Neville was in the perfect position to have his back burnt, with just a pyjama top covering his back. Which could be easily lifted.

What were the burn marks then ?

[sami]

Other that a few chairs and a couple of broken dishes which could easily have been caused by a severely wounded man staggering through the kitchen. What is the "evidence of the fight in the kitchen"?

how do you account for the broken lamp shade

[lebaleb]

how do you account for the broken lamp shade

Neville was bludgeoned with the rifle. The rifle could easily have broken the lampshade. Another thing is the sugar bowl. It was filled with Demerara sugar which is sticky and dense. If dropped on the floor it doesn't spread out very far.

[Caroline]

'Nah!', is not a valid argument.

Neither is "Sheila could have crawled inside the gun cupboard and tried to shoot herself. Realising that the gun was too long she unscrewed it and dropped it in the box. Then she became distracted and went up to the bedroom." That makes no sense whatsoever.