What makes Bamber innocent?

[sami]

No Sami they wanted JB to be the killer, that is why they introduced the silencer.
The police falsely used the silencer to obtain a conviction.

wrong again.they supported jb at first only changing their minds when listening to jb's lies .like how competent sc with all the guns at whf.did boutflour give him a hug and kind words when he met jb

[lookout]

Or when he nearly polished off a bottle of  their whisky ! Then drove himself home after refusing a lift.

[Adam]

Has there ever been a case where -

There are innocent people who had nothing to do with a major crime.

These innocent people quickly decide to attempt to forensically frame another innocent person of the crime. Even though the police already had a totally different suspect ?

Can't think of any myself.

[sami]

What do you mean expertly? an idiot could have done that.
Anyway the silencer was a red herring.

according to you it was

[buddy]

according to you it was

Thought you was undecided. COBBLERS.

[Adam]

OK Adam from memory it was about the fourth baffle the blood was found, so by some miracle the blood passed three baffles without touching. How about using an eye dropper with blood in it, pushing past the first three baffles. That is what I think Jones did, after all he had access to Sheila's blood.

Have you got a source that he access to Sheila's blood ?

He was a middle ranking police man. Not CSI.

Or did he scrape it off Sheila's neck on the same day he secretly took a silencer.

[sami]

Thought you was undecided. COBBLERS.

yea i need my shoes mended .i will send them to you

[buddy]

yea i need my shoes mended .i will send them to you

Yes you need a soul.

[lookout]

Hahahahaha----nice one.

[Caroline]

The commission did not and could not challenge Fowlers evidence, That is why Jeremy took them to court.

No its not because the COA have already made a judgment back in 2002 on the relevant issue

The sound moderator had on any view been attached to the rifle during the fight with Nevill Bamber in the kitchen. But if Sheila Caffell had committed suicide it must have been removed before she shot herself

Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

This brings us back the 2012 Judgment

That question again has resolved into a narrow issue as to whether, when the fatal shot was fired in the kitchen at the father, Mr Bamber senior, the rifle used had on it a silencer, it being accepted that if there was a silencer on it at that time the prospects of the sister being the murderer were nil.


This is why the appeal was denied and the court sided with the CCRC

I'm just stating what they said and they SAID, the COA preferred new scientific evidence, not just new research  offering a different opinion. No, they didn't challenge it, they dismissed it - however you said they accepted it and that isn't the case. You basically said that they knew it proved the silencer wasn't used to shoot Sheila and that certainly is NOT the case and I don't believe the silencer was used!

[David1819]

I'm just stating what they said and they SAID, the COA preferred new scientific evidence, not just new research  offering a different opinion. No, they didn't challenge it, they dismissed it - however you said they accepted it and that isn't the case. You basically said that they knew it proved the silencer wasn't used to shoot Sheila and that certainly is NOT the case and I don't believe the silencer was used!

They didn't dismiss it. That is why they resorted to the kitchen/paint evidence as justification for a non referral. And the COA has already made judgement on the paint evidence

2002 Appeal
The sound moderator had on any view been attached to the rifle during the fight with Nevill Bamber in the kitchen. But if Sheila Caffell had committed suicide it must have been removed before she shot herself

Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

Bamber vs CCRC 2012

That there was red paint on the curled end and a mark on the mantelpiece, which, given the other evidence, showed that the silencer must have been on.

The first is the fact that the evidence of Dr Fowler does not grapple with the evidence of the fight in the kitchen and the paint evidence

That question again has resolved into a narrow issue as to whether, when the fatal shot was fired in the kitchen at the father, Mr Bamber senior, the rifle used had on it a silencer, it being accepted that if there was a silencer on it at that time the prospects of the sister being the murderer were nil.

[Adam]

'The CCRC rejected the new expert submissions, saying they did not give rise to a real possibility that the court of appeal would find Bamber's convictions unsafe' It described the new evidence as "matters of pure speculation and unsubstantiated allegations".

[David1819]

'The CCRC rejected the new expert submissions, saying they did not give rise to a real possibility that the court of appeal would find Bamber's convictions unsafe' It described the new evidence as "matters of pure speculation and unsubstantiated allegations".

Anyone who looks beneath the words of the CCRC can see that's not the case at all.

Ironically part of the 2012 new evidence submissions was the marks on Neville being caused with the rifle sans sound moderator, And this you believe yourself thus even you disagree with the CCRC.

Since you believe Dr Caruso's evidence. If Jeremy did cause those marks without a silencer why did he wait 25 years sitting in a gloomy cell for someone else to work it out?

[lebaleb]

Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

Sheila could have crawled inside the gun cupboard and tried to shoot herself. Realising that the gun was too long she unscrewed it and dropped it in the box. Then she became distracted and went up to the bedroom.

[Adam]

Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

Sheila could have crawled inside the gun cupboard and tried to shoot herself. Realising that the gun was too long she unscrewed it and dropped it in the box. Then she became distracted and went up to the bedroom.

I never thought of that.