What makes Bamber innocent?

[Steve_uk]

The last piece of independent information we have about Sheila comes from the telephone conversation between Pamela and June in which June tells her sister her daughter was tired and was going to bed. This tallies with the stories of Sheila's behaviour all week from the two parties to the car ride down to the Farm to the Tiptree excursion. It may be inconvenient for the Innocent Brigade but this is the reality. Nobody can seriously suggest that the twins moved from their beds that morning. So we have them slain, the struggle with Nevill in the kitchen and a June shot initially as she lies in bed, the first shots going through her body and the pillow. After Jeremy reloads he finishes off his parents then enters Sheila's room(he has three nights to check the daily and nocturnal routine before the Wednesday morning). He leads an exhausted Sheila to her death like a lamb to the slaughter, with the added bonus that he has woken her up in the middle of the night in retribution for one Christmas when she got him similarly out of bed to proceed downstairs in order to eat chocolate together.

[David1819]

But David said it was a 'Forensic Evidence Breakthrough'.

It was NGB that described it as a 'Forensic Breakthrough'. It's an accurate description.

[David1819]

The last piece of independent information we have about Sheila comes from the telephone conversation between Pamela and June in which June tells her sister her daughter was tired and was going to bed. This tallies with the stories of Sheila's behaviour all week from the two parties to the car ride down to the Farm to the Tiptree excursion. It may be inconvenient for the Innocent Brigade but this is the reality. Nobody can seriously suggest that the twins moved from their beds that morning. So we have them slain, the struggle with Nevill in the kitchen and a June shot initially as she lies in bed, the first shots going through her body and the pillow. After Jeremy reloads he finishes off his parents then enters Sheila's room(he has three nights to check the daily and nocturnal routine before the Wednesday morning). He leads an exhausted Sheila to her death like a lamb to the slaughter, with the added bonus that he has woken her up in the middle of the night in retribution for one Christmas when she got him similarly out of bed to proceed downstairs in order to eat chocolate together.

That does not explain how three people can sleep through a rampage. Bullets shooting, dog going nuts and June screaming (i assume she was as she walked around after being shot)

[Adam]

That does not explain how three people can sleep through a rampage. Bullets shooting, dog going nuts and June screaming (i assume she was as she walked around after being shot)

June had been shot in bed while asleep. In the neck and head. So doubtful she would make much noise.

How do you know a small dog made any noise ?

The rifle with the silencer on was silent. Video supplied.

[David1819]

June had been shot in bed while asleep. In the neck and head. So doubtful she would make much noise.

The blood patterns show June got out of bed after she was shot and walked around for a bit before collapsing.

How do you know a small dog made any noise ?

That's what dogs do when they get frightened

The rifle with the silencer on was silent. Video supplied.

Your video contains a different rifle and a different silencer.

The one in the case makes very little difference

[Adam]

I know June moved a few feet from the bed. I doubt she was screaming. She had been shot seceral times. In the head and throat. It's doubtful Sheila or the twins would hear June. They were asleep in other rooms with their doors shut.

My video has what looks like a very similar rifle and silencer to the the ones used. Unless you can find a video of the exact same massacre rifle being used loudly with a silencer, you have to accept it.

The dog was either barking, in another room, or cowering somewhere underneath the bed, where it was found. Either way there is no reason why it would wake the sleeping twins and Sheila. Who were in other rooms.

[David1819]

My video has what looks like a very similar rifle and silencer to the the ones used. Unless you can find a video of the exact same massacre rifle being used loudly with a silencer, you have to accept it.

https://youtu.be/VeLsEeE0zTI?t=53s 
 

[David1819]

I know June moved a few feet from the bed. I doubt she was screaming. She had been shot seceral times. In the head and throat. It's doubtful Sheila or the twins would hear June. They were asleep in other rooms with their doors shut.

Your really grasping at straws here Adam. Perhaps you are beginning to realise the scene suggests Sheila shooting the twins first rather than Jeremy shooting them last. but i'm not holding my breath

[Adam]

It was NGB that described it as a 'Forensic Breakthrough'. It's an accurate description.

It's you're thread called 'Forensic evidence breakthrough'.

[Adam]

Your really grasping at straws here Adam. Perhaps you are beginning to realise the scene suggests Sheila shooting the twins first rather than Jeremy shooting them last. but i'm not holding my breath

Yes it is gasping at straws to say a person shot several times in the head and neck (while asleep) would not be screaming.

Perhaps you can elaboarate on Sheila shooting the twins first in you're 'detailed' account of how Sheila did it. Nineteenth request.

[Adam]

https://youtu.be/VeLsEeE0zTI?t=53s 

This is nothing to do with the noise. Although the rifle when it was fired was not loud enough to wake people asleep behind closed doors in other rooms.

[Adam]

The video says Neville's burn back marks were inflicted on the night. Which I agree with.

I wonder if Sheila decided to do this before or after her shower ?

[maggie]

Yes it is gasping at straws to say a person shot several times in the head and neck (while asleep) would not be screaming.

Perhaps you can elaboarate on Sheila shooting the twins first in you're 'detailed' account of how Sheila did it. Nineteenth request.

I would imagine a person shot as you describe would not necessarily scream. I would think they would be stunned and disoriented, they would probably not feel any pain as we recognise it and their reactions would be reflex rather than reasoned because their body and mind would be deeply shocked.  I do wonder what caused June to walk round the foot of the bed and back when wounded.  If she was trying to escape or reach the twins, why walk back? It makes me wonder what or who was there which caused such a reaction.   Sheila may have already been shot in the throat and she went to help her, realised she couldn't and in her confusion staggered back the way she had come?  It's impossible to know but makes me wonder.

[Caroline]

It was NGB that described it as a 'Forensic Breakthrough'. It's an accurate description.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7566.msg355281.html#msg355281 

NGB cut the thread and changed it to the title of what YOU described it as.

[David1819]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7566.msg355281.html#msg355281 

NGB cut the thread and changed it to the title of what YOU described it as.