What makes Bamber innocent?

[David1819]

where does it say that is the ccrc position now

They didn't word it like that, I was summarising it in a very simplistic term, but if you want to read the details and make your own mind up.

10.   The issue before us can be summarised as follows: the only alternative suspect to Jeremy Bamber was his sister, Sheila Caffell.  It was said at the trial, and has been said subsequently, that she was the person who killed the other four members of the family and then committed suicide.  The issue, therefore, upon which this application is concentrated, goes to the question of whether there is now a basis for reference to the Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) in relation to whether it can be shown that she was the person who was the murderer.  The issue has narrowed to an extent to an even further degree, because it has turned upon the evidence relating to the way in which the father, Mr Bamber senior, was killed.

11.   That question again has resolved into a narrow issue as to whether, when the fatal shot was fired in the kitchen at the father, Mr Bamber senior, the rifle used had on it a silencer, it being accepted that if there was a silencer on it at that time the prospects of the sister being the murderer were nil.

12.   The approach that has been taken, and very properly taken by both the Commission to the way in which the case has been put, and by Mr McKay, on behalf of Mr Bamber, has therefore concentrated on this one aspect.  The argument before us has proceeded on a first assumption, namely that if there was evidence that the silencer was on the gun when the fatal shot was fired, then there would be little doubt about the safety of the conviction.  But if there was no silencer on it, then there was, for the purposes of this application, sufficient that it might be necessary to refer it to the Court of Appeal on the basis that there was a real possibility that the sister was the murderer.  I say that at the outset because it is extremely important to understand that assumption upon which this judicial review is proceeding.
13.   The question as to whether the silencer was used or not turns again on a relatively narrow issue.  That relates to the finding of circular wounds on the father.  These are said, and were said at the time by one of the experts, to possibly be burn marks.  At the time those were unexplained.  But it was the prosecution case that the silencer must have been on the gun, first by reference to a flake of blood that was found in the baffles of the silencer that could be attributed to the blood group of the sister, and secondly, that there was red paint on the curled end and a mark on the mantelpiece, which, given the other evidence, showed that the silencer must have been on.  As is accepted, on the basis of that evidence at the time of the trial, that part of the Crown’s case was not seriously challenged at trial.

[Steve_uk]

thanks steve,thats the girl .she had it in her boot while talking to police telling them what had happened.now thats one cool murderer.imo steve the sights might have been a hinderence but not the silencer so jb removed the sights

https://youtu.be/xS-mX5fq858

[sami]

https://youtu.be/xS-mX5fq858

very cunning steve,maybe if jb had confessed he might be  out now.

[David1819]

David knows the evidence shows the silencer was certainly on the rifle during the massacre. He also knows the evidence could not be wrong due to human error, or by creating false evidence which would fool the lab.

This is why he didn't comment on my silencer threads.

However he believes if he posts a long post with a lot of pictures on this thread it may convince people. Unfortunately since the 'forensic evidence breakthrough' fiasco all credibility has been lost.

The fiasco around the 'forensic evidence breakthrough' was orchestrated deliberately by crazy guilter's. The objective was to reduce my credibility by any means, they failed

However I have made other discoveries and breakthrough's since then and due to the past fiasco I am not going to post any updates . So they have succeeded somewhat in preventing new information coming onto the board. However they are now in the dark as to what is happening 

[sami]

The fiasco around the 'forensic evidence breakthrough' was orchestrated deliberately by crazy guilter's. The objective was to reduce my credibility by any means, they failed

However I have made other discoveries and breakthrough's since then and due to the past fiasco I am not going to post any updates . So they have succeeded somewhat in preventing new information coming onto the board. However they are now in the dark as to what is happening 

sounds fishy david,

[David1819]

sounds fishy david,

Fishy things happen allot on this forum unfortunately Sami.

I have realised that revealing new information to the board, is not worth the effort I will have to put in to defending my character against the campaigns of lies that will result.

Like Socrates said "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"

[susan]

Fishy things happen allot on this forum unfortunately Sami.

I have realised that revealing new information to the board, is not worth the effort I will have to put in to defending my character against the campaigns of lies that will result.

Like Socrates said "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"

Hello David

will we be told what your new information is?

[Steve_uk]

The Crowns case was that Sheila was shot with the Silencer on therefore she could not have shot herself.

The CCRC's position now is. Well just because the silencer was not attached when Sheila injuries were inflicted does not nessisarily mean it was not on at all during the murders 

The scenario you have suggested does not make sense, because if Jeremy and Neville are downstairs fighting, What is Sheila doing? You would have to argue that Sheila and the twins slept through it all. Reason being the twins were shot while asleep and if Sheila woke up she would realise they are all in danger and go to check on the twins and as a result wake them up and try to get them to safety. This is incompatible with the facts of the crime.

Another factor is one of the twins had a contact shot to the head, yet no evidence of their blood or brain tissue in the moderator

The Crown's case was that Sheila could not have shot four with silencer, shot herself then returned the silencer to the gun cupboard. It's very much my contention that Sheila and the twins slept through the massacre, and as for the boys' blood group which was O (the same as Nevill's) I thought the Defence were now saying the blood in the silencer could have been an intimate mix of June and Nevill's , therefore  not precluding that Sheila had shot them all, returned the silencer to the gun cupboard then proceeded upstairs to shoot herself. If this is the case then the Blood Group O found in the silencer could have belonged to the twins I would have thought.

[Caroline]

The fiasco around the 'forensic evidence breakthrough' was orchestrated deliberately by crazy guilter's. The objective was to reduce my credibility by any means, they failed

However I have made other discoveries and breakthrough's since then and due to the past fiasco I am not going to post any updates . So they have succeeded somewhat in preventing new information coming onto the board. However they are now in the dark as to what is happening 

Well aren't you just a regular Sherlock Holmes  . Don't believe a word of it - more lies from David. Your report is about the palm print, something that was already known, something I introduced and something you quizzed me on. You can't help promoting yourself - "Look at ME everyone" - All I see is 'blah, blah, blah, ME, Blah, More about ME Blah. You've got bugger all that would get further than the post room- you know it and we know it!  . You can't even manage to understand how Julie was asked about the wet suit - claiming that it should have been kept secret!! It was JUST a theory 

You need to think about your new quote and go back and check your posts - you insult people quite regularly. This forum isn't about you! Get a grip!!

[sami]

Well aren't you just a regular Sherlock Holmes  . Don't believe a word of it - more lies from David. Your report is about the palm print, something that was already known, something I introduced and something you quizzed me on. You can't help promoting yourself - "Look at ME everyone" - All I see is 'blah, blah, blah, ME, Blah, More about ME Blah. You've got bugger all that would get further than the post room- you know it and we know it!  . You can't even manage to understand how Julie was asked about the wet suit - claiming that it should have been kept secret!! It was JUST a theory 

You need to think about your new quote and go back and check your posts - you insult people quite regularly. This forum isn't about you! Get a grip!!

ouch,we wont hear the NEW evidence now thats for sure.what the palm print about caroline

[Caroline]

ouch,we wont hear the NEW evidence now thats for sure.what the palm print about caroline

No, but David will be able to claim he has new evidence and use lame excuses to keep from posting it. I worked out what his last 'breakthrough' was about and he doesn't like it because I questioned him on the open forum. Had he not been underhanded, I wouldn't have done that - only has himself to blame. Not interested in what else he thinks he has - couldn't give a monkies!

One of the (many) threads that mentioned the palm print.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6884.msg320619.html#msg320619

[sami]

if it is a palm print what will it prove

[Caroline]

if it is a palm print what will it prove

Nothing.

[Adam]

But David said it was a 'Forensic Evidence Breakthrough'.

[David1819]

The Crown's case was that Sheila could not have shot four with sileincer, shot herself then returned the silencer to the gun cupboard.

That's more or less what I said.

It's very much my contention that Sheila and the twins slept through the massacre,

How?

I thought the Defence were now saying the blood in the silencer could have been an intimate mix of June and Nevill's , therefore  not precluding that Sheila had shot them all, returned the silencer to the gun cupboard then proceeded upstairs to shoot herself.

That was the defence strategy, to cast doubt on the blood group results. It almost worked when the Jury could not reach a verdict however they asked the Judge go over the blood in silencer again and he did so controversially but it was not crossing the line.

Who knows what would happen if JB had a different barrister     Rivlin QC was a prosecutor and apparently according to one source his first defence for a murder case. He felt it would be too outrageous to argue to the Jury that all the evidence was made up to frame Jeremy. We know now it more or less was but what you gonna do 30 years later?