What makes Bamber innocent?

[Jane]

yes ive often wondered if jb was wearing a mask.i also side with caroline's idea that he may have stayed the night at whf.sounds logical

A VERY strong possibility, and one which throws out with other trash, any thoughts about a wet suit being worn.

[buddy]

yes ive often wondered if jb was wearing a mask.i also side with caroline's idea that he may have stayed the night at whf.sounds logical

JB was afraid to enter whf after the murders, so it is ridiculous to suggest that he stayed the night.

[Jane]

JB was afraid to enter whf after the murders, so it is ridiculous to suggest that he stayed the night.

Could you expand that so it becomes clear, please? I can understand that he may have had the wobbles about going into rooms where a massacre -at his hands- occurred but it's my understanding that the only threshold on which he wobbled was at a door to a room in which no one had. I can't imagine why he'd be concerned about sleeping in his old home whilst they were all still alive.

[buddy]

Could you expand that so it becomes clear, please? I can understand that he may have had the wobbles about going into rooms where a massacre -at his hands- occurred but it's my understanding that the only threshold on which he wobbled was at a door to a room in which no one had. I can't imagine why he'd be concerned about sleeping in his old home whilst they were all still alive.

If that is so then it blows the hacksaw theory out of the water.

[Jane]

If that is so then it blows the hacksaw theory out of the water.

If it is so, it certainly does.

[susan]

JB was afraid to enter whf after the murders, so it is ridiculous to suggest that he stayed the night.

 

Hi Buddy

I think it was suggested by Caroline that he told his family he was staying over because he was working late but this was just a ploy to be in the house without dogs barking when he entered through a window being in the house was perfect for him to be there when they were all sleeping.  Just to say I think it was Caroline who suggested it somebody did and it sounded quite feasible to me.

[buddy]

If it is so, it certainly does.

You see Jane I am not a 100% Innocent, but I question some of the evidence, the hacksaw blade being one of them. It was suggested that JB entered the house with the use of this item. JB knew the house better than any of the family, who rarely visited and could not tell the twins apart. Not a close relationship imo.

[buddy]

 

Hi Buddy

I think it was suggested by Caroline that he told his family he was staying over because he was working late but this was just a ploy to be in the house without dogs barking when he entered through a window being in the house was perfect for him to be there when they were all sleeping.  Just to say I think it was Caroline who suggested it somebody did and it sounded quite feasible to me.

Hi Susan, who do you mean by the family?

[susan]

Hi Susan, who do you mean by the family?

Hi Buddy

we discussed that he may have told his parents and Sheila that he was working late so would stay over hence he could walk into the house and wait till they were all sleeping this does make sense in that I think Sheila was still up when he was there I am not too sure whether he coerced her into going along with him with regard to killing Ralph and June.

[buddy]

Hi Buddy

we discussed that he may have told his parents and Sheila that he was working late so would stay over hence he could walk into the house and wait till they were all sleeping this does make sense in that I think Sheila was still up when he was there I am not too sure whether he coerced her into going along with him with regard to killing Ralph and June.

Hi Susan we do not know if he told his parents anything they were dead.

[Caroline]

Caroline you KNOW and UNDERSTAND why Julie is not a credible witness yet you have made efforts to make her out to be a credible witness, That is very much distorting things.

The Mention of a wetsuit in her diary prove the police were asking her questions based on RBs theories. Theories that happen to make up allot of Mugford's testimony 

Your misrepresenting my arguments to make them easier to attack.  guess this one backfired on you.

I have no agenda. But if you want to con people into thinking I have an agenda its not working.

I am not to sure what your agenda is, But your relentless efforts to try and portray JB as guilty despite having no evidence at all must 'me' (Freudian Slip? )  fuelled by something 

Of course they were asking her questions based on what other witnesses had said - there is nothing wrong with that at all. You're trying to make it into some grand conspiracy and it's not! As though the all colluded to get their story to be the same. No one is misrepresenting your argument, you just change it each time you hit a brick wall (which is often). The basis of Julie's statement was that Jeremy told her he hired a hit man. If Jeremy wasn't supposed to be at the scene, he couldn't give her a detailed account could he?

I am not to sure what your agenda is (although I feel it's self serving), But your relentless efforts to try and portray JB as innocent despite having no evidence at all must be fuelled by something 

[Caroline]

Hi Susan we do not know if he told his parents anything they were dead.

Not before he killed them.

[Jane]

You see Jane I am not a 100% Innocent, but I question some of the evidence, the hacksaw blade being one of them. It was suggested that JB entered the house with the use of this item. JB knew the house better than any of the family, who rarely visited and could not tell the twins apart. Not a close relationship imo.

It's good that you have an open mind about it, Buddy. I, too, question some of the evidence. I believe that, POSSIBLY aided and abetted by RWB, the police  may have made several "two and two make five" type moves. However, it doesn't mean that Jeremy is innocent. A long time member here ONLY has the feeling in their gut that Jeremy is entirely innocent -and they don't know Jeremy- so it's entirely possibly that family members who had known him all his life experienced a similar gut feeling that he was guilty.

[susan]

Hi Susan we do not know if he told his parents anything they were dead.

Hi Buddy

it was suggested he told his Dad earlier in the evening.  I have often wondered why Sheila's bed did not look like it was slept in and why she was found in her Mother's bedroom and the spare bed in Sheila's room was made up as AE was surprised when she discovered it.  So many unanswered questions.

[David1819]

Of course they were asking her questions based on what other witnesses had said - there is nothing wrong with that at all.

Yes there is. Giving over too much information inadvertently is a leading factor in producing coerced statements, That is why today police don't use the same methods

You're trying to make it into some grand conspiracy and it's not! As though the all colluded to get their story to be the same. No one is misrepresenting your argument, you just change it each time you hit a brick wall (which is often). The basis of Julie's statement was that Jeremy told her he hired a hit man. If Jeremy wasn't supposed to be at the scene, he couldn't give her a detailed account could he?

There has been a conspiracy, you would have to be a simpleton not to see it. And I am not saying your simpleton because you KNOW the silencer is false evidence thus you KNOW a conspiracy has taken place.

You KNOW and UNDERSTAND that Julie is not a credible witness. If your trying to build a brick wall based on Julie Mugford (because you have nothing else) I'm just flying over it 

I am not to sure what your agenda is (although I feel it's self serving), But your relentless efforts to try and portray JB as innocent despite having no evidence at all must be fuelled by something 

Yes its fuelled by the status quo. I don't believe Jeremy should be in prison. The Jury made their decision on false evidence and false testimony. To support the guilty position requires one to oppose the experts and deny the circumstances pointing to Sheila. The state is practicing illegal confinement of the highest order.