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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3045 on: June 28, 2016, 10:36:AM »
All metal objects which get exposed to 'cynoacrylate fumes' (superglue treatment) get coated in white residue, which is a permanent coating. So, why is it, that the two bullet cases which Cook fingerprinted with the superglue technique, did not show any evidence of either having been fingerprinted by this technique?

These two cartridge cases (DRH/1 and DRH/2) would almost certainly have been amongst the first bullet cases to be examined for fingerprints, if we believe what 'Ron' Cook himself has stated that he had done, and which official police records confirm  had taken place, and that positive results had been obtained along with the fingerprint Reference number and clear mention that these prints had been found on items next to Sheila Caffells body on the bedroom floor, which included a bible...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3046 on: June 28, 2016, 11:07:AM »
I am not misquoting anything. You are simply making up excuses to avoid finding a plausible alternative answer because you cant find one. You say I am a xxxx xxxx xxx xxx xxxxx simply to manipulate the forum members in the hope they wont listen to me. You cant debate me so you resort to tenuous smear xxxx xxxx xxxxxx against me instead.

Oh no Caroline  ;D The significance of posting what you have written in the past shows everyone here that you KNOW Julie Mugford has no credibility and you KNOW and FULLY UNDERSTAND in great detail why her testimony does not add up. Thus you KNOW the case against Jeremy is bogus  8) it is you that is the insidious one.

You know there is not a shred evidence that's why you post xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxxx, No substancial evidence worth the time of day. Just xxxxxxxxxx, xxxx and xxxxxxxxx to try and stain Jeremy's character and then diverting attention away from genuine evidence you don't like to discuss. There is certainly an underlying motive here, as you do not produce any valid reason as to why you believe Jeremy is guilty, Then when pressed on it you become evasive.

Still accusing me of stealing things you never thought of or never worked out  ;D another xxxxxxxxxxx x xxxx xxxxxxx of yours

Your the one who got personal because what I bring the forum gets in the way of your xxxxxxxxxx xxx you have xxxxxxxxxxxx committed yourself to.

You are misquoting, RB said that SHEILA WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH LOADING THE RIFLE. You're dishonest David - completely dishonest. Instead of quoting what he actually said, you chose to post an inaccurate account, even though you must have seen his actual words but chose to post what suited your agender.

You have become obsessed but not because you think Jeremy is innocent, but because you think you might get something out of it. You're not even a supporter!!

Telling me what I think makes you look like an idiot, you can keep saying there is no evidence and misquote things to serve that purpose but your arguments fall flat every time and your dishonesty becomes more and more obvious which makes your comment about 'genuine evidence' laughable. You bend the truth to defend Jeremy but have nothing to support that Sheila was responsible - if you think her palm print on the bible makes her look guilty, then you are more deluded than I thought you were. Stain Jeremy's character? I think a lot of people got there before me on that one - he's a convicted murderer for gods sake and one that EVEN YOU can't say is innocent!  ::) ;D ;D

Let me make this plain for you and draw you a picture so that you can understand once and for all and that other members will be clear also - I first brought up the notion of the palm print, you cottoned onto it and thought you could use it to your OWN advantage. You quizzed me about it and used what I said (implications for the hand swabs etc.) as a BASIS for your report - you even included the dimensions of the bible from one of my posts. I made a guess when you asked me that question and the dimensions in your report are incorrect! I have PM's where you admitted "There is some truth to my accusations", even going so far as to suggest we collaborate! Like that would EVER be an option when I believe Jeremy is guilty!

I'm laughing at your last sentence - 'what you bring to the forum' you mean misquotes and twisting of the truth? And I'm not the only one who had noticed! If EVER you are called to be a witness at any appeal (like that's going to happen!) - your behaviour here will be brought into question and you will be discredited. I'd have thought you would have wanted to keep a low profile, given what you were 'supposedly' told but you have done nothing but brag and become ever more obsessed as the days go on.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3047 on: June 28, 2016, 11:14:AM »
You have xxxx on here several times David. Most recently yesterday when trying to ridicule my post and deflect attention away from Bamber's dirty protest.

Prior to that you created you're 'forensic evidence breakthrough', xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxxxxxxx to try to give it a tiny bit of gravitas. Then saying you couldn't disclose what it was because you knew it would be dismissed.

There are over a hundred pieces of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. Which means it was Bamber as to suggest Neville phoned him is ridiculous. You agreed as you could only answer 6  of my recent 30 questions on Neville's mysterious phone call. Then there is the motives, opportunity and no alibi.

Julie's WS and testimony is 100% solid. To suggest she read AE's and RB's diaries, or colluded with them while also with Bamber for a month is again very weak. Suggesting she should have been wired up after splitting up with Bamber is something Mike or Lookout have not suggested  There is no way she would go as a lone wolf and try to frame an innocent Bamber one month after the massacre, just because she was perhaps jilted.

Her friends would also have to have lied to frame Bamber and David avoids the hit man aspect because it doesn't fit his agender. 
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3048 on: June 28, 2016, 11:37:AM »
Witness statements are not always recorded in the exact words that a witness says. The truth of the matter is that a cop will ask a question, and the witness will answer, and then the cop who is seeking a particular approach, will paraphrase what the witness says...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3049 on: June 28, 2016, 11:40:AM »
Witness statements are not always recorded in the exact words that a witness says. The truth of the matter is that a cop will ask a question, and the witness will answer, and then the cop who is seeking a particular approach, will paraphrase what the witness says...

It is 'unusual' for a witness to make their own witness statement, using their own words, or phrases. It is time that legal changes were brought into force to prevent deceptions of this nature continuing. A better approach would be to record the questions a cop puts to a witness and the exact answers the witness gives...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3050 on: June 28, 2016, 11:42:AM »
Sometimes cops make a witness statement for a witness who is not even present, acting on the advice of the DPP. These 'bastards' think they are above the law...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3051 on: June 28, 2016, 12:58:PM »
Silencer Logic
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3052 on: June 28, 2016, 01:13:PM »
There was an 'unofficial / unreported' test fire of the Anshuzt rifle and control ammunition:-
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3053 on: June 28, 2016, 05:33:PM »
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DS Gilbert report on Bamber enquiry  2000
"On the 24th March 2000, I attended HQ fingerprints and looked through the file kept there that relates to the BAMBER enquiry. I was able to ascertain the full extent of the fingerprint search at various scenes that were relevant to this enquiry. What was clear was that there was no record of the spent cartridges that had been seized from White house farm, Tolleshunt D'Arcy having been searched for fingerprints"

Dickinson's Report seems to have been able to find out about the cartridges being tested for fingerprints.  :-\

Maybe Gilbert is either mistaken or is his "quote" being taken out of context?



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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3054 on: June 28, 2016, 06:49:PM »
Dickinson's Report seems to have been able to find out about the cartridges being tested for fingerprints.  :-\

Maybe Gilbert is either mistaken or is his "quote" being taken out of context?

I asked for the 'original document' from which the quote was taken - still waiting.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3055 on: June 28, 2016, 07:42:PM »
Point 74 of Dickinson's Report seems to disagree with this postulation.

Michael turner appeal notes 2002
Robert Boutflour claimed Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load the rifle in front of June and Pamela, but Pamela made no such reference of the incident in her statements. Jeremy denied ever doing this. It is now known  fingerprints were found on the bullet cases of the cartridges, but this was not disclosed. Whose fingerprints were these? One can only postulate that the police told Robert Boutflour the fingerprints were Sheila’s, and in an attempt to explain it, he made a statement of how Sheila’s fingerprints came to be on the bullet cases.


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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3056 on: June 28, 2016, 08:03:PM »
This particular paragraph originates from the official campaign website and is not actually a quote from the document claimed.

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Michael turner appeal notes 2002
Robert Boutflour claimed Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load the rifle in front of June and Pamela, but Pamela made no such reference of the incident in her statements. Jeremy denied ever doing this. It is now known  fingerprints were found on the bullet cases of the cartridges, but this was not disclosed. Whose fingerprints were these? One can only postulate that the police told Robert Boutflour the fingerprints were Sheila’s, and in an attempt to explain it, he made a statement of how Sheila’s fingerprints came to be on the bullet cases.

Can be found here: https://jeremybamber.org/robert-boutflour/

It appears to be the Campaign Teams postulation based on fictitious claims.  ::)

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3057 on: June 28, 2016, 09:55:PM »
This particular paragraph originates from the official campaign website and is not actually a quote from the document claimed.

Can be found here: https://jeremybamber.org/robert-boutflour/

It appears to be the Campaign Teams postulation based on fictitious claims.  ::)

Oh dear  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3058 on: June 28, 2016, 10:07:PM »
This particular paragraph originates from the official campaign website and is not actually a quote from the document claimed.

Can be found here: https://jeremybamber.org/robert-boutflour/

It appears to be the Campaign Teams postulation based on fictitious claims.  ::)
now theres a surprise . :)) :))

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3059 on: June 28, 2016, 10:52:PM »


It appears to be the Campaign Teams postulation based on fictitious claims.  ::)

Surely not..  ;D