What makes Bamber innocent?

[mike tesko]

Having been incarcerated myself, and having been he victim of physical abuse at the hands of 'screws' at Armley prison (Leeds) around the time of large numbers of so called suicides of young offenders, I would like to say that 'beatings' of anybody, by screws, is unforgivable. I have served parts of my sentences in the same prisons as the IRA, UDA, and Jeremy, himself. They did their dirty protests and nobody got hurt by any of them. Rather than villify them, learn to respect  what they all did during those protests, and the reason why they all felt they had to take such action. The IRA considered themselves as 'prisoners of war', as bad as the atrocities they were convicted of carrying out, you have to ask yourselves, whether or not, when countries like ours drop bombs which murder and maim innocent victims or by standers, that the forces our country have deployed is akin to us being responsible for causing similar attrocties?

[mike tesko]

Having been incarcerated myself, and having been he victim of physical abuse at the hands of 'screws' at Armley prison (Leeds) around the time of large numbers of so called suicides of young offenders, I would like to say that 'beatings' of anybody, by screws, is unforgivable. I have served parts of my sentences in the same prisons as the IRA, UDA, and Jeremy, himself. They did their dirty protests and nobody got hurt by any of them. Rather than villify them, learn to respect  what they all did during those protests, and the reason why they all felt they had to take such action. The IRA considered themselves as 'prisoners of war', as bad as the atrocities they were convicted of carrying out, you have to ask yourselves, whether or not, when countries like ours drop bombs which murder and maim innocent victims or by standers, that the forces our country have deployed is akin to us being responsible for causing similar attrocties?

Ask yourselves why the British Government agreed to release convicted IRA activists early, as part of the Good Friday, agreement?

[David1819]

When in August 1992 the Police Complaints Authority dismissed Jeremy's concerns over the way the original investigation was handled by Essex Constabulary, he joined five other inmates in Franklin, Durham in wrecking their cells and pasting the words “FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT” in excrement on the walls.

It seems that the 'independent' Police Complaints Authority, 7 years later, thought the police handled the investigation correctly

Adam what are you talking about? Independent Police Complaints Commission did not exist back then! It was formed in 2004 thus could not have done anything in 1992 as it did not exist

[sami]

When in August 1992 the Police Complaints Authority dismissed Jeremy's concerns over the way the original investigation was handled by Essex Constabulary, he joined five other inmates in Franklin, Durham in wrecking their cells and pasting the words “FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT” in excrement on the walls.

It seems that the 'independent' Police Complaints Authority, 7 years later, thought the police handled the investigation correctly

never mind joining him.if i was banged up with him i would iron him out'spark out'

[Stephanie]

Well, how would you react if you had been wrongly banged up then only to hear the police deny any wrongdoing?

 id be pretty pissed off wont you?

Or this could suggest he was angry at having been found guilty of his crimes and he did it for attention...

[Adam]

Adam what are you talking about? Independent Police Complaints Commission did not exist back then! It was formed in 2004 thus could not have done anything in 1992 as it did not exist

From Wikipedia.


The Police Complaints Authority (PCA), was an independent body in the United Kingdom with the power to investigate public complaints against the Police in England and Wales as well as related matters of public concern. It was formed in 1985, replacing the Police Complaints Board and was then itself replaced by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) in April 2004.


Get you're facts right. Or did you think I wouldn't check ?

Anyway Bamber made his 'dirty protest' after not getting what he wanted. Which Bamber has admitted to.

[Caroline]

DS Gilbert report on Bamber enquiry  2000
"On the 24th March 2000, I attended HQ fingerprints and looked through the file kept there that relates to the BAMBER enquiry. I was able to ascertain the full extent of the fingerprint search at various scenes that were relevant to this enquiry. What was clear was that there was no record of the spent cartridges that had been seized from White house farm, Tolleshunt D'Arcy having been searched for fingerprints"


Michael turner appeal notes 2002
Robert Boutflour claimed Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load the rifle in front of June and Pamela, but Pamela made no such reference of the incident in her statements. Jeremy denied ever doing this. It is now known  fingerprints were found on the bullet cases of the cartridges, but this was not disclosed. Whose fingerprints were these? One can only postulate that the police told Robert Boutflour the fingerprints were Sheila’s, and in an attempt to explain it, he made a statement of how Sheila’s fingerprints came to be on the bullet cases.

And yet you don't have to look too far to find documentation to see mention of testing the casings for fingerprints. You have posted such yourself. The above means nothing.

The document you keep posting (partially) documents that they tested the casings for finger prints

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7292.msg352972.html#msg352972

You have even tried to argue that they found Sheila's prints on the bible! 

[sami]

Or this could suggest he was angry at having been found guilty of his crimes and he did it for attention...

yes he has always been a attention seeker

[Caroline]

From Wikipedia.


The Police Complaints Authority (PCA), was an independent body in the United Kingdom with the power to investigate public complaints against the Police in England and Wales as well as related matters of public concern. It was formed in 1985, replacing the Police Complaints Board and was then itself replaced by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) in April 2004.


Get you're facts right. Or did you think I wouldn't check ?

Anyway Bamber made his 'dirty protest' after not getting what he wanted. Which Bamber has admitted to.

Well done Adam, here is a PDF that David might like to read so he can get his facts right 

http://www.police-foundation.org.uk/uploads/catalogerfiles/the-police-complaints-system/complaints_briefing.pdf

[Jane]

Well done Adam, here is a PDF that David might like to read so he can get his facts right 

http://www.police-foundation.org.uk/uploads/catalogerfiles/the-police-complaints-system/complaints_briefing.pdf

Having, in the past, condemned many of Adam's posts, I'd like to add my own compliments to him for his tenacity.

[sami]

From Wikipedia.


The Police Complaints Authority (PCA), was an independent body in the United Kingdom with the power to investigate public complaints against the Police in England and Wales as well as related matters of public concern. It was formed in 1985, replacing the Police Complaints Board and was then itself replaced by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) in April 2004.


Get you're facts right. Or did you think I wouldn't check ?

Anyway Bamber made his 'dirty protest' after not getting what he wanted. Which Bamber has admitted to.

well spotted adam,how many of his other posts need scrutiny,will always be caught out when he deals with someone who knows the facts .

[Caroline]

Is this where your argument comes from David? 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7266.msg343547.html#msg343547

[Jane]

Is this where your argument comes from David? 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7266.msg343547.html#msg343547

Where would we be without our sharp-eyed scrutineers?

[David1819]

And yet you don't have to look too far to find documentation to see mention of testing the casings for fingerprints. You have posted such yourself. The above means nothing.

The document you keep posting (partially) documents that they tested the casings for finger prints

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7292.msg352972.html#msg352972

You have even tried to argue that they found Sheila's prints on the bible! 

The above means nothing to you because of your zealotry and stonewalling

Hartley posted that form to try and prove they never found prints on the bible because it its not listed on there even tho we now know they did check it later.

You have even tried to argue that they found Sheila's prints on the bible! 

As for prints on the bible I think Sheila may have been caught 'red handed' 

[sami]

Where would we be without our sharp-eyed scrutineers?

here here,jane