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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2970 on: June 26, 2016, 05:59:AM »
There had to have been an 'unofficial' test fire of the anshuzt rifle with control ammunition which took place either on, or before the 13th September 1985, in order for the 'comparison' tests which were all performed before the 20th September 1985, which 'Fletcher' knew about, which for one reason or another, he chose to conceal the details of, by falsely claiming that he did not receive the bullets and cartridge cases, along with 29 control rounds that he proceeded to test fire in the anshuzt rifle on the 20th September 1985, 25th September 1985, and the 2nd October 1985...

He lied, since if that be the case, how come 17 cartridge cases were 'confirmed' as having been loaded, fired, and ejected from the anshuzt rifle by 'comparisons with control ammunition on 13th, 18th and 19th September 1985?

Worse still, in one of his statements, or it might be in his lab' notes, he states that before he proceeded to test fire the anshuzt rifle on the 20th September 1985, that he did not know when the anshuzt rifle had last been fired prior to him testing it on 20th and 25th September, 2nd October, 1985. Again, a blatant lie on his part, since he must have known the rifle had been test fired with control ammunition either on or before the date when the cartridge cases had been 'compared' on the 13th September 1975, against which his dated signature appears on each of the official lab' documents...
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 06:01:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2971 on: June 26, 2016, 08:05:AM »
I have spent close to three decades researching all the evidence in this case. I have had the benefit of interrogating Jeremy Bamber face to face, one to one,. I have around 50,000 case documents, some of the material in my possession are the original documents. I have all the original correspondence between Jeremy and his solicitors, nobody and I mean nobody could ever wish or dream to have access to all this material. On top of this, I have my life experience, I am now 60 years old, and I myself have witnessed at first hand how easily a miscarriage of justice can happen. Yes, cops framed me with dody identification evidence, falsifying the contents of witness statements, tampering with exhibits, rewriting dodgy notebooks, you name it, I have had it done to me. If any of you were in my shoes,you would start off when looking into the rights and wrongs in the so called ' Bamber' case, and suspect everyone of lying, or of having fabricated some evidence or other. That would be your starting point, and you would work through the evidence looking for things that were true, honest and indestructible. Only when everything checked out, would you have to accept that it must be true. Over the many decades that I have lived through my life experiences, particularly in my dealings with cops, CP's, magistrates, judges, home office, etc, I have learnt valuable lessons. When I research any case that I have been asked to look into, I rely on a rather simple but very effective approach, I use key words to help me arrive at the truth, which are 'ambiguous', ' contradictory', and 'inconsistent'. The truth cannot be misinterpreted when you adopt this approach. If something is true, there will be no ambiguities, no contradictions, or any inconsistencies...

When I look at the 'Bamber' case, I see ambiguities, contradictions, and inconsistencies, in the case which the prosecution brought to court to nail 'Bamber'. No such ambiguities, contradictions, or inconsistencies, would have arisen if the case that was brought had been true - because no matter how you approach the truth it cannot ever be exposed as a lie, truth is universal, no matter from which angle you investigate it, or adopt an approach to try to show 'it' to be a lie...

The case brought against 'Bamber' was a false one, full of ambiguities, contradictions, and inconsistencies...

If 'he' had been truly guilty, none of these ambiguities, contradictions, and inconsistencies would have arisen, and to be frank, would not exist?...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2972 on: June 26, 2016, 08:10:AM »
There isn't any part of the prosecutions case which stands up to scrutiny, adopting my approach...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2973 on: June 26, 2016, 08:11:AM »
There isn't any part of the prosecutions case which stands up to scrutiny, adopting my approach...

Everywhere you look, things quite simply do not add up...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2974 on: June 26, 2016, 09:24:AM »
It's only your opinion that the conversation didn't take place!

They didn't find any IDENTIFIABLE prints. Where is it denied that they found prints at all?

RWB said a lot of things, most of them you laugh at, why did he say Jeremy used a bike, wore a wet suit ...... etc? However, it does show that the conversation with June is likely to have happened and he is hedging his bets in case they did find Sheila's prints because of what June told him. If he wanted to make a story up that puts Sheila's prints on the bullets, he wouldn't have said she didn't want anything to do with it and that she did indeed load the magazine as Jeremy requested.

I'm a good judge of character and your posts are easy to rip apart  because you have rubber goal posts.
has the habit of moving the rubber goal  posts as well ;D

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2975 on: June 26, 2016, 11:44:AM »
has the habit of moving the rubber goal  posts as well ;D

Yes, they 'stretch' pretty far from fact.
Few people have the imagination for reality

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2976 on: June 26, 2016, 11:49:AM »
Yes, they 'stretch' pretty far from fact.
into the realms of alice in wonder land ;)

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2977 on: June 26, 2016, 12:22:PM »
Oh Dear...

Where is it denied that they found any prints?
Few people have the imagination for reality

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2978 on: June 26, 2016, 04:46:PM »
Two spent cartridge cases (DRH/1 and DRH/2) were found at the side of Sheila's body, and a bible DRH/44), if we accept that Sheila's body was found as shown in the police photographs. As can be clearly seen, there is reference to positive fingerprint results having been found upon these items. This is consistent with the cops finding Sheila's part fingerprints upon them...

Fingerprint Ref:- 31340/85, Page 53198, refers...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2979 on: June 26, 2016, 04:50:PM »
The changing size of bullets belonging to the batch of crime scene ammunition which 'altered' in appearance after they were re over from the bodies of the victims during autopsy performed on 7th/8th August 1985, and the 20th September 1985, when ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher took possession of them all:-
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2980 on: June 26, 2016, 05:00:PM »
Two spent cartridge cases (DRH/1 and DRH/2) were found at the side of Sheila's body, and a bible DRH/44), if we accept that Sheila's body was found as shown in the police photographs. As can be clearly seen, there is reference to positive fingerprint results having been found upon these items. This is consistent with the cops finding Sheila's part fingerprints upon them...

Fingerprint Ref:- 31340/85, Page 53198, refers...

This is rather puzzling, because both of the cartridge cases, DRH/1 and DRH/2, did not have any 'white residue' upon them, even though 'Ron' Cook supposedly fingerprinted these on the 23rd August 1985., by 'Superglue' method...
« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 05:05:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2981 on: June 26, 2016, 08:35:PM »
Where is it denied that they found any prints?

DS Gilbert report on Bamber enquiry  2000
"On the 24th March 2000, I attended HQ fingerprints and looked through the file kept there that relates to the BAMBER enquiry. I was able to ascertain the full extent of the fingerprint search at various scenes that were relevant to this enquiry. What was clear was that there was no record of the spent cartridges that had been seized from White house farm, Tolleshunt D'Arcy having been searched for fingerprints"


Michael turner appeal notes 2002
Robert Boutflour claimed Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load the rifle in front of June and Pamela, but Pamela made no such reference of the incident in her statements. Jeremy denied ever doing this. It is now known  fingerprints were found on the bullet cases of the cartridges, but this was not disclosed. Whose fingerprints were these? One can only postulate that the police told Robert Boutflour the fingerprints were Sheila’s, and in an attempt to explain it, he made a statement of how Sheila’s fingerprints came to be on the bullet cases.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2982 on: June 26, 2016, 08:37:PM »
What is also known, is that DS 'Stan' Jones, had direct involvement with the batch of crime scene cartridge cases, as evidenced by the presence of his, dated signature...

Here is DS 'Stan' Jones signature, on the 'GENERAL EXAMINATION RECORD' , of DRH/2 and DRH/1 (spent cartridge case, found next to Sheila Caffells body)...

Cops found Sheila's fingerprints on several cartridge cases recovered from the scene, as evidenced by the 'fingerprint' reference (31340/85), and Page (53158) location

Michael turner appeal notes 2002

Robert Boutflour claimed Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load the rifle in front of June and Pamela, but Pamela made no such reference of the incident in her statements. Jeremy denied ever doing this. It is now known  fingerprints were found on the bullet cases of the cartridges, but this was not disclosed. Whose fingerprints were these? One can only postulate that the police told Robert Boutflour the fingerprints were Sheila’s, and in an attempt to explain it, he made a statement of how Sheila’s fingerprints came to be on the bullet cases.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2983 on: June 26, 2016, 08:37:PM »
Made me laugh

your not the only one  ;D

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2984 on: June 26, 2016, 08:53:PM »
The changing size of bullets belonging to the batch of crime scene ammunition which 'altered' in appearance after they were re over from the bodies of the victims during autopsy performed on 7th/8th August 1985, and the 20th September 1985, when ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher took possession of them all:-

Nothing in this case adds up. They also tested the silencer for prints yet apparenty found nothing, How?

Is this yet another reason why DI Cooks 1990 COLP interview tapes happened to disappear without explanation?