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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2940 on: June 25, 2016, 02:14:PM »
Fingerprints have been found on cartridge cases in a lot of investigations. Not only that, but 'Ron' Cook fingerprinted these 25 original cartridge cases from the scene at whf, on two separate occasions, once by 'oblique light test' (15th August 1985), and secondly by 'cynoacrylate fumes', on the 25th August 1985 - these are the 'facts' in this investigation. Therefore we should expect all 25 cartridge cases to have been coated in 'white residue', but we find at least eight such cartridges were 'white residue' free...

Cartridges, DRH/1, 2, 6, 8, 10, 11, 39 (1), 41 and 43, were 'all' residue 'free'...

Whereas, cartridges, DRH/3, 4, 7, 12, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 37, 38, 39 (2), and 46, all had residue upon them...

A further four cartridges still under 'review', DRH/6, 13, 14 and 40...

Location of the nine 'residue free' cartridges were found at, 'main bedroom', (DRH/1, 2, 6, 8, 10 11, and 43), 'Children's bedroom', (DRH/39 {2}), and the 'Kitchen' (DRH/41)...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2941 on: June 25, 2016, 02:19:PM »
Alternatively, 'all' of the 'residue' contaminated cartriges were found at, 'main bedroom', DRH/3, 4, 7, and 12, Children's bedroom', DRH/16, 17, 18, 37, 38, 39 {1}, and 46, 'Kitchen', DRH/19 and 20...
« Last Edit: June 25, 2016, 05:03:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2942 on: June 25, 2016, 02:23:PM »
The following three cartridges have yet to be 'categorised', but were found at, 'main bedroom' , DRH/13, 'Upstairs Landing', DRH/14, 'Children's bedroom', DRH/40...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2943 on: June 25, 2016, 02:27:PM »
It doesn'y make any sense that at least nine of these 24 cartridge cases end up 'residue free', considering that 'Ron' Cook fingerprinted them on the 23rd August 1985, using 'superglue treatment'. Alarm bells are 'ringing', it wreaks of 'the originals which had residue upon them', being 'substituted', for one reason, or another...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2944 on: June 25, 2016, 02:30:PM »
It doesn'y make any sense that at least nine of these 24 cartridge cases end up 'residue free', considering that 'Ron' Cook fingerprinted them on the 23rd August 1985, using 'superglue treatment'. Alarm bells are 'ringing', it wreaks of 'the originals which had residue upon them', being 'substituted', for one reason, or another...

Why would they substitute eight of the cartridge cases?

Was it to cover up for the use of a totally separate weapon that was used in the shootings?

Or, Did cops find Sheila's fingerprints on the eight original ones, (or both)?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2945 on: June 25, 2016, 05:13:PM »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2946 on: June 25, 2016, 05:27:PM »
It seems to me, that there are strong grounds for believing that there were 'two shooters' involved in these killings...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2947 on: June 25, 2016, 05:33:PM »
It seems to me, that there are strong grounds for believing that there were 'two shooters' involved in these killings...
Lets look at the 'emerging pattern' involving 'white residue' contaminated cartridges in locations inside the farmhouse, as opposed to the other lot of cartridges, minus, 'white residue'?

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White residue cartridges in 'main bedroom', DRH/3, 4, 6, 7 and 12 (fired from gun 1)
None white residue cartridges in same room, DRH/1, 2, 8, 10, 11, and 43 (fired from gun 2)

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White residue cartridges in 'children's bedroom', DRH/16, 17, 18, 37, 38, 39 (1), and 46 (gun 1)
None white residue cartridges in same room, DRH/39 (2), (gun 2)

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White residue cartridges in the 'kitchen', DRH/19, and 20 (gun 1)
None white residue cartridges in same room, DRH/41 (gun 2)

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The three 'uncategorised' cartridges were found, 'main bedroom', DRH/13, 'upstairs landing', DRH/14, and 'Children's bedroom', DRH/40...

This brings me back to the point I have previously expounded on the forum - Did Sheila Caffell, have 'an accomplice' in the murders of the other four victims? I strongly believe 'that such an accomplice did exist. Cops knew this to be true, but they couldn't pin that role on the person they had set their hearts on charging (Matthew McDonald). In any event, it was the right decision not to pursue him for involvement in the murders, so they turned on Jeremy, in the full knowledge that 'he' had 'not' had anything whatsoever to do with the death of his sister.  In order to achieve prosecuting Jeremy  cops had to turn the investigation into a one gun crime, which involved swapping spent cartridge cases, for obvious reasons. Identifying the second weapon used seems so obvious, it beggars belief that for 30 years everyone has been thinking there had only been one gun used in the shootings. The only other gun that could have been used in these shootings is the Anthony Pargeter .22 Bruno rifle. His conflicting accounts that he has given to cops, at one stage or another, as to the whereabouts of his gun at the time of the shootings, how he had always kept his rifle at the farmhouse since he purchased it in 1980, but that he made it his habit to 'always' remove the bolt from it and to take that home with him to his home in Buckinghamshire, so that 'no-one' could fire his rifle in his absence (Essex police statement) as opposed to the suggestion that he had taken it home with him on the penultimate week-end prior to the shootings (COLP statement). My own personal belief, is that the Pargeter gun was present at the farmhouse at the time of the shootings. Although I now do not believe he had personal involvement in the killing of the other four victims, other than he has lied deliberately as to the whereabouts of his gun at the time of the shootings...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2948 on: June 25, 2016, 05:35:PM »
It is clear you are being dishonest David - RB said that June told him that SHEILA WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH LOADING THE RIFLE. So using that as a basis for your argument is dead in the water.

I am not misquoting anyone. You are nitpicking the semantics of what I post because you have no legitimate argument to put forward

You're bow even trying to change what the experts say. It doesn't really matter because your argument would fail for all of the above reasons. To suggest 25 bullets all had identifiable prints when that's clearly not possible is just silly.

Lets revise things (again)
Police discuss the importance of finding prints and discuss glue fumigation on the shell casings
https://s32.postimg.org/m0elnbuhh/fing1_001.jpg

Police find positive fingerprint results on the casings
https://s31.postimg.org/565oiymi3/fingerprintform.png

Police then denied ever doing this and never disclosed the information. why?

When you post something, I always check it out - so there is no point in misquoting to suit your own ends.

No you nitpick a sentence or two then bury your head in the sand. Now and then you pop your head out the sand to call me a pigeon or something, that's about it  ;D

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2949 on: June 25, 2016, 06:00:PM »
I am not misquoting anyone. You are nitpicking the semantics of what I post because you have no legitimate argument to put forward

Lets revise things (again)
Police discuss the importance of finding prints and discuss glue fumigation on the shell casings
https://s32.postimg.org/m0elnbuhh/fing1_001.jpg

Police find positive fingerprint results on the casings
https://s31.postimg.org/565oiymi3/fingerprintform.png

Police then denied ever doing this and never disclosed the information. why?

No you nitpick a sentence or two then bury your head in the sand. Now and then you pop your head out the sand to call me a pigeon or something, that's about it  ;D
where is the rest of that page david,cause it doesnt say how many prints were on the items in the POSITIVE report

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2950 on: June 25, 2016, 06:10:PM »
The 'two principle guns' used in the shootings, were (a) Anshuzt rifle, and (b) Bruno rifle...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2951 on: June 25, 2016, 06:13:PM »
The 'two principle guns' used in the shootings, were (a) Anshuzt rifle, and (b) Bruno rifle...

Cops arranged for the cartridge cases loaded, fired, and ejected from the bruno (during the shootings), to be 'replaced' with control ammunition that was fired during 'unreported' test firings which took place prior to the date of the first official test fire performed by 'Malcolm Fletcher' on the 20th September, 1985...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2952 on: June 25, 2016, 06:15:PM »
Cops arranged for the cartridge cases loaded, fired, and ejected from the bruno (during the shootings), to be 'replaced' with control ammunition that was fired during 'unreported' test firings which took place prior to the date of the first official test fire performed by 'Malcolm Fletcher' on the 20th September, 1985...

Clear 'evidence' exists, to prove that this was / is the case...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2953 on: June 25, 2016, 06:26:PM »
In 2004 I brought this 'evidence' to the attention of 'Ewen Smith', who agreed with the significance of my findings...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2954 on: June 25, 2016, 06:32:PM »
In 2004 I brought this 'evidence' to the attention of 'Ewen Smith', who agreed with the significance of my findings...

Fletchers signature appears on the lab' records, dated, prior to the first occasion he claims to have had contact with the batch of crime scene ammunition - why would he deliberately lie about such a thing?

But lie he did, lie he has...
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