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Offline David1819

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2910 on: June 24, 2016, 05:57:PM »
So no documentation then? Just another one of your putting two and two together and coming up with conspiracy.  ::)

Plenty of documentation, I'm putting two and two together to make four while you are trying to argue that two and two equals zero  ::)

A)  Why does Pam not corroborate this claim when RWB states she was present?
B)  Why does he not mention this in his diary when writing about Jeremy planting her prints?

Answer to A is because it never happened, He imagined it and he could not get Pam to go along with it.
Answer to B is because he had not yet imagined it.

A supports B and B supports A  8)

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2911 on: June 24, 2016, 06:00:PM »

Which puts a VERY different complexion on the whole thing, doesn't it?

No

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2912 on: June 24, 2016, 06:27:PM »
No


Indeed it does. The documentation says something entirely different from that which you're implying, using your own spin, at point 4.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2913 on: June 24, 2016, 07:10:PM »
Plenty of documentation, I'm putting two and two together to make four while you are trying to argue that two and two equals zero  ::)

A)  Why does Pam not corroborate this claim when RWB states she was present?
B)  Why does he not mention this in his diary when writing about Jeremy planting her prints?

Answer to A is because it never happened, He imagined it and he could not get Pam to go along with it.
Answer to B is because he had not yet imagined it.

A supports B and B supports A  8)

Why did you misquote his statement? Here you go again, because you think something should happen and didn't, it's obviously a conspiracy - A and B are YOUR questions and the answers are just your opinion.  ::)
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2914 on: June 24, 2016, 07:13:PM »
No

Yes! You misquoted his statement for your own ends - you do this often!
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2915 on: June 24, 2016, 09:05:PM »
Yes! You misquoted his statement for your own ends - you do this often!

How?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2916 on: June 24, 2016, 09:14:PM »
How?

Were YOUR words not something along the lines of Pam and June TELLING RWB that they had seen Jeremy getting Sheila to load a rifle? The statement has June -alone- ASKING him what he would have thought if he'd observed such. She THEN says Sheila didn't do it because she wasn't interested. Something YOU failed to include. You altered the meaning to suit your own purposes, I believe.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2917 on: June 24, 2016, 09:16:PM »
How?
I'm not sure Pam ever verified this.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2918 on: June 24, 2016, 09:19:PM »
Why did you misquote his statement? Here you go again, because you think something should happen and didn't, it's obviously a conspiracy - A and B are YOUR questions and the answers are just your opinion.  ::)

I'm not misquoting. The points and evidence I put forward when combined form a cohesive argument for Sheila's being present on the shell casings. Its no good nitpicking minor details of one aspect, because that does not refute or challenge the argument I put forward.




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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2919 on: June 24, 2016, 09:21:PM »
I'm not sure Pam ever verified this.

That's the whole point

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2920 on: June 24, 2016, 09:22:PM »
How?

HERE!

"4. Then at a much later date, RB sais that Pamela and June had told him that Jeremy had Sheila load the rifle infront of them. Pamela never gave testimony to this and why does he not mention it in the diary he had written before he decided to reveal this?  He seems to be going to great length at fabricating an explanantion as to how sheilas prints got on the shell casings"

For starters, Pamela told him nothing and June made it clear that Sheila refused to have anything to do with loading the rifle. In your version "Jeremy had Sheila load the rifle in front of them". Ir's misleading and not factual - bending the truth won't help your argument!
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2921 on: June 24, 2016, 09:24:PM »
That's the whole point

Tje whole point is that you misquoted. There is no reason for her to corroborate because it's hearsay. Also, we don't have every statement on this forum - you have no idea if she corroborated this or not.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2922 on: June 24, 2016, 09:57:PM »
Were YOUR words not something along the lines of Pam and June TELLING RWB that they had seen Jeremy getting Sheila to load a rifle? The statement has June -alone- ASKING him what he would have thought if he'd observed such. She THEN says Sheila didn't do it because she wasn't interested. Something YOU failed to include. You altered the meaning to suit your own purposes, I believe.

The argument comes from Michael Turners COA notes in 2002 I quote

Robert Boutflour claimed Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load the rifle in front of June and Pamela, but Pamela made no such reference of the incident in her statements. Jeremy denied ever doing this. It is now known  fingerprints were found on the bullet cases of the cartridges, but this was not disclosed. Whose fingerprints were these?  One can only postulate that the police told Robert Boutflour the fingerprints were Sheila’s, and in an attempt to explain it, he made a statement of how Sheila’s fingerprints came to be on the bullet cases.

That's where the argument comes from I am simply quoting him.

Then you must consider this

A) RWB never wrote this in his August dairy when discussing the Jeremy planting prints
B) Pam never corroborated this

C) Police tested the casings for prints, that's on record both forensic and written
D) Police found prints on the shell casings and RB was given information "in confidence" by the police

E) Later on the Police denied the existence of and covered up the testing of the prints and never mentioned.

F) Jeremy denied ever showing Sheila how to reload a rifle. (I can introduce testimony from Jeremy because its corroborated by points ABCDE)

Does ABCDEF prove Jeremy innocent? No but what it does prove is

1. The fingerprints on the shell casings was something they wanted to cover up
2. Police are dishonest
3. RWB is being untruthful
4. Jeremy is being truthful (on this issue at least)





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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2923 on: June 24, 2016, 10:09:PM »
The argument comes from Michael Turners COA notes in 2002 I quote

Robert Boutflour claimed Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load the rifle in front of June and Pamela, but Pamela made no such reference of the incident in her statements. Jeremy denied ever doing this. It is now known  fingerprints were found on the bullet cases of the cartridges, but this was not disclosed. Whose fingerprints were these?  One can only postulate that the police told Robert Boutflour the fingerprints were Sheila’s, and in an attempt to explain it, he made a statement of how Sheila’s fingerprints came to be on the bullet cases.

That's where the argument comes from I am simply quoting him.

Then you must consider this

A) RWB never wrote this in his August dairy when discussing the Jeremy planting prints
B) Pam never corroborated this

C) Police tested the casings for prints, that's on record both forensic and written
D) Police found prints on the shell casings and RB was given information "in confidence" by the police

E) Later on the Police denied the existence of and covered up the testing of the prints and never mentioned.

F) Jeremy denied ever showing Sheila how to reload a rifle. (I can introduce testimony from Jeremy because its corroborated by points ABCDE)

Does ABCDEF prove Jeremy innocent? No but what it does prove is

1. The fingerprints on the shell casings was something they wanted to cover up
2. Police are dishonest
3. RWB is being untruthful
4. Jeremy is being truthful (on this issue at least)

Whether you're quoting him or Turner, it makes no odds, the quote is incorrect - you're just dismissing what was actually said - it's there in black and white! He said that June said she would have NOTHING to so with loading the rifle!

You have nothing to suggest that identifiable prints were obtained and certainly nothing to show they identified Sheila's prints.

Where does RB state he was given confidential information from police that Sheila's prints were on the casings?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2924 on: June 24, 2016, 10:25:PM »
Whether you're quoting him or Turner, it makes no odds, the quote is incorrect - you're just dismissing what was actually said - it's there in black and white! He said that June said she would have NOTHING to so with loading the rifle!

And before that it Claims Jeremy was showing her how to load the rifle. Loading a rifle requires putting fingertips on bullets BTW

You have nothing to suggest that identifiable prints were obtained and certainly nothing to show they identified Sheila's prints.

They identified positive results for fingerprints on shell casings. In this situation you only have two suspects Sheila and Jeremy. Determining between Jeremy and Sheila would be rather easy even with partial prints and size of the prints alone. 

To show they identified Sheila's prints is the fact RWB tried to explain Sheila's prints on the shell casings and the Police then covering up any testing on shell casings took place. Are you saying police found all prints consistent with Jeremy and then covered up the evidence for the fun of it?


Where does RB state he was given confidential information from police that Sheila's prints were on the casings?

I did not say that. RWB sais he was given information in confidence from the police. full stop