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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2775 on: June 23, 2016, 09:29:AM »
What happened to the flake Boutflour took from the extreme end of the silencer?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2776 on: June 23, 2016, 09:30:AM »
The other relatives must have known what David Boutflour had done...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2777 on: June 23, 2016, 09:33:AM »
The other relatives must have known what David Boutflour had done...

This puts David Boutflour, Ann Eaton, Peter Eaton, Robert Boutflour, and Anthony Pargeter in the frame. All of these prosecution witnesses must have known what David Boutflour had done, and what had at the end of the day happened to 'that' flake of blood...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2778 on: June 23, 2016, 09:34:AM »
It then falls to be confirmed, the names of the police officers who 'knew' about the 'Boutflour flake'?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2779 on: June 23, 2016, 09:39:AM »
It then falls to be confirmed, the names of the police officers who 'knew' about the 'Boutflour flake'?

To my mind, the following cops knew of the existence of the 'Boutflour flake':-

DC Barlow
DS Jones
DC 'Mick' Clark
PI 'Bob' Miller
DI 'Ron' Cook
DCS 'Mick' Ainsley
ACC 'Peter' Simpson
DCI 'Taff' Jones
DCI Harris
DCI 'Terry' Gibbons
DCI Wright
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2780 on: June 23, 2016, 09:42:AM »
Also, staff at the lab' would have known about the 'Boutflour flake' if it had been taken to, and received at the lab', and it was the actual source of the blood grouping results relied upon during trial. If so, the blood relied upon obtained from the 'Boutflour flake' was 'EXTERNAL' to the silencer, 'not internal'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2781 on: June 23, 2016, 09:44:AM »
Also, staff at the lab' would have known about the 'Boutflour flake' if it had been taken to, and received at the lab', and it was the actual source of the blood grouping results relied upon during trial. If so, the blood relied upon obtained from the 'Boutflour flake' was 'EXTERNAL' to the silencer, 'not internal'...

The ballistics expert, Malcolm Fletcher, would have certainly have to have been in on the big secret, possibly also John Hayward (blood expert), and perhaps, Elliott...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2782 on: June 23, 2016, 09:45:AM »
How did the 'Boutflour flake' get to the lab', thats something which needs looking into?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2783 on: June 23, 2016, 09:51:AM »
How did the 'Boutflour flake' get to the lab', thats something which needs looking into?

I have a strong hunch, that Annie Eaton may have handed over the 'Boutflour Flake' to DC Oakey, on the 11th September, 1985, under the exhibit reference, 'DRB/1', and that she might not have handed over a silencer at 'that' stage, as was first assumed. If she did, then she handed over all the exhibits, DRB/1 , DRB/2, DRB/3 and DRB/4 to DC Oakey, on the 11th September, 1985, maybe including the second silencer/Boutflour flake, as one item (DRB/1), which of course, then makes it possible for the 'Boutflour flake' to be present at the lab' between 12th to 19th September, 1985, to be analysed...

But who took the 'Boutflour flake' to the lab' after Annie Eaton had given it to the police, on the 11th September, 1985?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2784 on: June 23, 2016, 09:52:AM »
I have a strong hunch, that Annie Eaton may have handed over the 'Boutflour Flake' to DC Oakey, on the 11th September, 1985, under the exhibit reference, 'DRB/1', and that she might not have handed over a silencer at 'that' stage, as was first assumed. If she did, then she handed over all the exhibits, DRB/1 , DRB/2, DRB/3 and DRB/4 to DC Oakey, on the 11th September, 1985, maybe including the second silencer/Boutflour flake, as one item (DRB/1), which of course, then makes it possible for the 'Boutflour flake' to be present at the lab' between 12th to 19th September, 1985, to be analysed...

But who took the 'Boutflour flake' to the lab' after Annie Eaton had given it to the police, on the 11th September, 1985?

Police courier, with surname of 'CRANWELL'?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2785 on: June 23, 2016, 09:55:AM »
If this were true, then what do I make of 'this'?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2786 on: June 23, 2016, 10:01:AM »
Right, how about the possibility that the 'Boutflour flake' was handed over to DC Oakey by Annie Eaton on the 11th September, 1985. 'That' flake in one form or another gets taken to the lab' to enable it to be analysed between 12th to 19th September, 1985 (producing the key blood groups, A, EAP BA, 'AK/1', and HP 2-1. So lets put that to one side for the moment...

This leaves cops still in possession of part of DRB/1 (2nd silencer), and DRB/2, DRB/3 and DRB/4...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2787 on: June 23, 2016, 10:03:AM »
Right, how about the possibility that the 'Boutflour flake' was handed over to DC Oakey by Annie Eaton on the 11th September, 1985. 'That' flake in one form or another gets taken to the lab' to enable it to be analysed between 12th to 19th September, 1985 (producing the key blood groups, A, EAP BA, 'AK/1', and HP 2-1. So lets put that to one side for the moment...

This leaves cops still in possession of part of DRB/1 (2nd silencer), and DRB/2, DRB/3 and DRB/4...

It states on the document, that 'SOC' are to examine the items listed and checked for 'blood, fibres and fingerprints'...

(1) - Ammunition box

(2) - Carboard box containing silencer, and ammunition

(3) - Check Silencer for blood, and fibres...


Earliest date recorded on this document, is the 13th September, 1985, latest date, the 20th September, 1985...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2788 on: June 23, 2016, 10:10:AM »
It states on the document, that 'SOC' are to examine the items listed and checked for 'blood, fibres and fingerprints'...

(1) - Ammunition box

(2) - Carboard box containing silencer, and ammunition

(3) - Check Silencer for blood, and fibres...


Earliest date recorded on this document, is the 13th September, 1985, latest date, the 20th September, 1985...

It is therefore, safe to assume that cops still had all of these items in their possession between 13th to 20th September, 1985...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2789 on: June 23, 2016, 10:12:AM »
Forget about the 'Boutflour flake', for now, and forget about the exhibit references of all the items aforementioned, that 'must have' still been in police possession until 20th September, 1985...
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