What makes Bamber innocent?

[mike tesko]

Who is 'Patrick' McDonald?  ;D

Just shows you that even 'thick' cops, don't even know who they are talking about, but they still falsify the evidence, no matter what or when they are put under pressure...

[Caroline]

Just shows you that even 'thick' cops, don't even know who they are talking about, but they still falsify the evidence, no matter what or when they are put under pressure...

Well, it does show that they make admin errors and get things wrong.

[David1819]

Who is 'Patrick' McDonald? 

That's the real hitman Jeremy hired all along!      

[mike tesko]

what was she thinking of mike,with the above in her mind,i cant see the connection

The picture I have of her in my minds eye, whilst she was alone and isolated in the living room where she obviously felt comfortable enough to insert a tampon without being disturbed, and the sudden realisation of her 'impending menstrual period', heavily bloodstained knickers which she had removed there in the living room, must have been one of the triggers which set the circumstances of these shootings into motion. The sudden realisation that she had started to bleed, that she had sat there, or stood there, already brooding, and angry inside, about any suggestion that her parents were going to find a care home so that she could be professionally looked after, and separated from her two young children.  There in the living room, in a private moment, a moment of pain, anguish, changes which were taking effect in her body, her attempt to bring sort of sanity to the developments, removal of her bloodied undergarment, the tearing open of the tampon holder, her inserting it with use of one hand, and one of her boys toy gun in the other. Then, after replacing the empty tampon holder on the table, she laid the toy gun down alongside it, before then making her way toward the kitchen, where she placed her heavily bloodstained knickers in a bucket there which had already got other items of clothing soaking in it, belonging to her two boys. After depositing her bloodstained undergarment there in the soak, her attention was drawn to the pile of loose bullets upon the kitchen worktop. Real bullets, loads and loads of real bullets, there in front of her. Where was the gun? If she could find the rifle, she could load it with real bullets just like Jeremy had showed her, where was the rifle? Out she went through the door which connected the main kitchen to the back kitchen in the location of the downstairs office, and the back door entrance to the farmhouse. As she passed through the aforementioned opening to her right was a wooden settle, upon which she captured sight of the rifle. She picked it up, realising that this was 'not a toy', but the real thing, she could do people real harm with this in her possession, she thought...

[mike tesko]

Well, it does show that they make admin errors and get things wrong.

Just extend 'admin' errors', and it doesn't take much to realise that these buffoons also make defendant errors, on an equally large scale...

[sami]

The picture I have of her in my minds eye, whilst she was alone and isolated in the living room where she obviously felt comfortable enough to insert a tampon without being disturbed, and the sudden realisation of her 'impending menstrual period', heavily bloodstained knickers which she had removed there in the living room, must have been one of the triggers which set the circumstances of these shootings into motion. The sudden realisation that she had started to bleed, that she had sat there, or stood there, already brooding, and angry inside, about any suggestion that her parents were going to find a care home so that she could be professionally looked after, and separated from her two young children.  There in the living room, in a private moment, a moment of pain, anguish, changes which were taking effect in her body, her attempt to bring sort of sanity to the developments, removal of her bloodied undergarment, the tearing open of the tampon holder, her inserting it with use of one hand, and one of her boys toy gun in the other. Then, after replacing the empty tampon holder on the table, she laid the toy gun down alongside it, before then making her way toward the kitchen, where she placed her heavily bloodstained knickers in a bucket there which had already got other items of clothing soaking in it, belonging to her two boys. After depositing her bloodstained undergarment there in the soak, her attention was drawn to the pile of loose bullets upon the kitchen worktop. Real bullets, loads and loads of real bullets, there in front of her. Where was the gun? If she could find the rifle, she could load it with real bullets just like Jeremy had showed her, where was the rifle? Out she went through the door which connected the main kitchen to the back kitchen in the location of the downstairs office, and the back door entrance to the farmhouse. As she passed through the aforementioned opening to her right was a wooden settle, upon which she captured sight of the rifle. She picked it up, realising that this was 'not a toy', but the real thing, she could do people real harm with this in her possession, she thought...

i see

[mike tesko]

Baxendale Report:-

[Steve_uk]

The picture I have of her in my minds eye, whilst she was alone and isolated in the living room where she obviously felt comfortable enough to insert a tampon without being disturbed, and the sudden realisation of her 'impending menstrual period', heavily bloodstained knickers which she had removed there in the living room, must have been one of the triggers which set the circumstances of these shootings into motion. The sudden realisation that she had started to bleed, that she had sat there, or stood there, already brooding, and angry inside, about any suggestion that her parents were going to find a care home so that she could be professionally looked after, and separated from her two young children.  There in the living room, in a private moment, a moment of pain, anguish, changes which were taking effect in her body, her attempt to bring sort of sanity to the developments, removal of her bloodied undergarment, the tearing open of the tampon holder, her inserting it with use of one hand, and one of her boys toy gun in the other. Then, after replacing the empty tampon holder on the table, she laid the toy gun down alongside it, before then making her way toward the kitchen, where she placed her heavily bloodstained knickers in a bucket there which had already got other items of clothing soaking in it, belonging to her two boys. After depositing her bloodstained undergarment there in the soak, her attention was drawn to the pile of loose bullets upon the kitchen worktop. Real bullets, loads and loads of real bullets, there in front of her. Where was the gun? If she could find the rifle, she could load it with real bullets just like Jeremy had showed her, where was the rifle? Out she went through the door which connected the main kitchen to the back kitchen in the location of the downstairs office, and the back door entrance to the farmhouse. As she passed through the aforementioned opening to her right was a wooden settle, upon which she captured sight of the rifle. She picked it up, realising that this was 'not a toy', but the real thing, she could do people real harm with this in her possession, she thought...

Sheila must have known the difference between St. Andrew's and a Bournemouth care home. The boys were going to Norway with their dad for a holiday so she would get a rest of sorts; this was never a permanent arrangement. As for the bullets, there were too many left to have any connection with the massacre, so obviously staged as had Nevill seen them he would have put them out of harm's way along
with this gun which Jeremy so carelessly left out, yet never expressed any regret about so doing, his hallmark trademark of never apologizing for anything..

[sami]

Sheila must have known the difference between St. Andrew's and a Bournemouth care home. The boys were going to Norway with their dad for a holiday so she would get a rest of sorts; this was never a permanent arrangement. As for the bullets, there were too many left to have any connection with the massacre, so obviously staged as had Nevill seen them he would have put them out of harm's way along
with this gun which Jeremy so carelessly left out, yet never expressed any regret about so doing, his hallmark trademark of never apologizing for anything..

yes i agree steve,also the bullets were right next to the phone june was useing to talk to her sister after jb had left ,she surely would heve seen them while on the phone and removed them from worktop and put them somewhere safe

[Steve_uk]

yes i agree steve,also the bullets were right next to the phone june was useing to talk to her sister after jb had left ,she surely would heve seen them while on the phone and removed them from worktop and put them somewhere safe

Yes the bedroom telephone had been moved, hadn't it..

[Caroline]

yes i agree steve,also the bullets were right next to the phone june was useing to talk to her sister after jb had left ,she surely would heve seen them while on the phone and removed them from worktop and put them somewhere safe

Excellent point Sami!

[mike tesko]

Sheila must have known the difference between St. Andrew's and a Bournemouth care home. The boys were going to Norway with their dad for a holiday so she would get a rest of sorts; this was never a permanent arrangement. As for the bullets, there were too many left to have any connection with the massacre, so obviously staged as had Nevill seen them he would have put them out of harm's way along
with this gun which Jeremy so carelessly left out, yet never expressed any regret about so doing, his hallmark trademark of never apologizing for anything..

The relatives knew more than they have let on about June Bambers intention to try to find a care home where Sheila would be looked after, whilst her boys were away with their father in the planned Norway trip. But with Sheila being paranoid she must have believed that that was the last time she would probably ever see her children again. She must have reflected upon the circumstances of her own life, and how she herself had been whisked away to become the adopted child of the Bambers. Everything that Jeremy said he had overheard his parents and Sheila talking about that night at the supper table was absolutely true. Foster carers had in the past been brought in to help Sheila to cope with looking after her two boys. And, Pamela her sister had spoken to June Bamber at around 10pm that night and been told by June that she thought there was 'something wrong' with Sheila. So much so, that between them they had arranged to visit Pamela on the following afternoon for tea and a chat with a view of trying to sort something out...

Cops say 20 bullets that were missing from that box of ammunition on the worktop had been used during the shootings, so obviously based on what Jeremy had already said about loading bullets into the gun from a new box of ammunition, Sheila must have taken an interest in at least 10 of the bullets that were there on the side, or possibly as many as 15 such bullets if you choose to believe the 'one gun' crime presented by cops. We now know that a lack of lead deposit upon Sheila's hands from the examination of the hand swabs does not exclude her from having handled or loaded bullets into the magazine of the rifle. The higher levels of lead deposit on the testees hands now having a different meaning associated to them than at the time of the trial, because of the delay between the timing of the hand swabs that were taken from Sheila on the 7th August 1985, and the actual time these were eventually analysed on the 29th October, 1985, and the relatively short delay between the time when the testees hands had been swabbed, and then analysed? The key to unlocking that particular mystery, being the use of 'petroleum ether' with and upon swabs and rates of its evaporation...

It can no longer be relied upon by anybody to suggest that Sheila had 'not handled any bullets' that night. It can now be established scientifically that Sheila could have handled the bullets necessary to enable her to have been accountable for the deaths of the other four victims...

And, she was...

[Caroline]

That really is a an excellent point Sami, so simple but I don't think anyone has mentioned it before.

[mike tesko]

yes i agree steve,also the bullets were right next to the phone june was useing to talk to her sister after jb had left ,she surely would heve seen them while on the phone and removed them from worktop and put them somewhere safe

Pause, for a moment, think carefully about what you are saying, why would June Bamber have put the bullets away at the time she was speaking to her sister Pamela at around 10 pm that night? Sheila also used the phone to have a sort of one sided exchange with her auntie Pam, which is all the more reason why her mind turned to the idea of shooting her family. She saw the bullets, on the worktop close to the telephone that Sheila at one stage had in her hand.

[sami]

The relatives knew more than they have let on about June Bambers intention to try to find a care home where Sheila would be looked after, whilst her boys were away with their father in the planned Norway trip. But with Sheila being paranoid she must have believed that that was the last time she would probably ever see her children again. She must have reflected upon the circumstances of her own life, and how she herself had been whisked away to become the adopted child of the Bambers. Everything that Jeremy said he had overheard his parents and Sheila talking about that night at the supper table was absolutely true. Foster carers had in the past been brought in to help Sheila to cope with looking after her two boys. And, Pamela her sister had spoken to June Bamber at around 10pm that night and been told by June that she thought there was 'something wrong' with Sheila. So much so, that between them they had arranged to visit Pamela on the following afternoon for tea and a chat with a view of trying to sort something out...

Cops say 20 bullets that were missing from that box of ammunition on the worktop had been used during the shootings, so obviously based on what Jeremy had already said about loading bullets into the gun from a new box of ammunition, Sheila must have taken an interest in at least 10 of the bullets that were there on the side, or possibly as many as 15 such bullets if you choose to believe the 'one gun' crime presented by cops. We now know that a lack of lead deposit upon Sheila's hands from the examination of the hand swabs does not exclude her from having handled or loaded bullets into the magazine of the rifle. The higher levels of lead deposit on the testees hands now having a different meaning associated to them than at the time of the trial, because of the delay between the timing of the hand swabs that were taken from Sheila on the 7th August 1985, and the actual time these were eventually analysed on the 29th October, 1985, and the relatively short delay between the time when the testees hands had been swabbed, and then analysed? The key to unlocking that particular mystery, being the use of 'petroleum ether' with and upon swabs and rates of its evaporation...

It can no longer be relied upon by anybody to suggest that Sheila had 'not handled any bullets' that night. It can now be established scientifically that Sheila could have handled the bullets necessary to enable her to have been accountable for the deaths of the other four victims...

And, she was...

we are not talking about lead deposits,she should have had parafin WAX ON HER HANDS,just like the testees did